3 new cars for the wish list

Fancy new cars? And no desire to park a mainstream SUV next to the Saab in the carport? Fortunately, there are alternatives! A - admittedly very subjective - choice of three temptations that are not a bit boring and that make a good figure next to a Saab.

Subaru BRZ
Subaru BRZ. Picture: Subaru

Subaru BRZ

Would not be the Bilster mountain I would never have come to the BRZ in my life. Why? Maybe because you would not look for such a casual-sporty coupe at Subaru. Since then, the little athlete is no longer out of my mind. He has milled my brain, and that could possibly have consequences. Rear-wheel drive, lightweight, boxer engine, low center of gravity. The Subaru brings with it what matters. In the morning to go to the office, in the evening on the way home then with pleasure detours on small, winding country road.

Subaru BRZ
Subaru BRZ. Small, fine driving machine. Picture: Subaru

The BRZ does not have a turbo, but an 2 liter boxer, which gets its power from high speeds. The 6 gearbox turns crisp, the roadholding is phenomenal. The BRZ brings back what originally made the fun of driving a car. Its 200 PS are enough to show the rear of much stronger vehicles on the highway.

Actually, Subaru deserves a Medal of Merit for having the courage to revive the class of small, affordable athletes. The cool GT is understated, fun without regret and affordable. If a Porsche or Lotus label would stick to its hood, it would cost several bills more expensive.

Alpine A110

To revive a legend is difficult. Volkswagen experienced a Waterloo with the Beetle, at Fiat it worked against it with the 500. Renault has joined the 1955 based brand Alpine daring, and the operation smells suspiciously of success. In Dieppe, the original home of Alpine, the successor to the first A110 runs off the line. As with the GT, the A110 relies on small, fine, lightweight. In terms of price and with the performance of 250 PS, the Alpine is just under 58.000 € far above the approximately 35.000 € GT.

A110
The legend comes back. Alpine A110. Picture: Renault

The French make everything right when restarting. Limited to 1955 copies, the first edition has been sold out for ages. Who has ordered and paid, must wait patiently, because the production is raised only very slowly. On the 28. June, the number 1.000 rolled off the ribbons in Normandy. Until the entry-level version comes on the market, insiders say it could take 1 to 2 years. After all: reservation is possible, 2.000 € deposit is then due.

In Frankfurt will be one Alpine base originate in the classical city, next to Saab Service Frankfurt, And by coincidence, quite apart from that, our next great family vacation is to lead to Normandy.

Two proposals, two sports cars. Too narrow, too sporty? Let's stay in France, because the car industry of the country remembers its old strength and supplies fine gourmet goods as an alternative to the German premium stew.

Peugeot 508
Oh yes: Large tailgate and continuous aperture. We know each other. Picture: Peugeot

Peugeot 508

The new edition of the Peugeot 508 could go through as a Gallic Saab 9000 reincarnation. At first glance, at least. A full-length rear fascia, similar to what you might have designed on the 2018 drawing board in Trollhättan, garnished with a large tailgate. In addition, under the hood works the same 1.6 liter turbo petrol engine with up to 225 PS, which we would have also got in the Saab 9-3 III, the next 9-5 generation and the 9-4x successor. Including a 8 automatic transmission from Aisin.

The Peugeot hatchback sedan is beautifully drawn and purely visually worth a temptation. The operating concept in the interior but, with the small and strangely positioned steering wheel, is at least strange. Does the form still follow the function, or is it merely design to manifest otherness?

Only the way to the next Peugeot base helps. Look, feel, maybe drive to the test. Or maybe the fine driving machine of Subaru or the returning legend from Normandy? The question is difficult, because there is a fourth alternative. Buy an old Saab, restore it, have fun as well. In the end, it may cost even less and is sustainable.

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  • 11. July 2018 at 12: 39 PM
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    Peugeot lately I think not bad as a possible "alternative" (SUV, station wagon, 5008; and especially because of inner life and especially the center console !!!)! 🙂
    The sister company Citroen / DS, however, I think (among other things, because of too much frippery inside) lately, unfortunately not so dolle.

    I can not make friends with Subaru.
    But Subaru should not be such a bad brand ... only slightly less noticed in D.
    The BRZ I think from the outside quite chic, but I do not like him inside sooo much. ... and is just a sports car ...

    An (e) Alpine is of course something very fine (but for such sports cars I am unfortunately too "stuffy and sedate")! 😉




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  • 11. July 2018 at 12: 45 PM
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    Yes! Buying an old Saab is not only the most beautiful solution, but far more sustainable and - there it is: costs even with all repair and maintenance perspectives ultimately less ....




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    • 11. July 2018 at 6: 47 PM
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      Currently four thumbs up. Nill down.

      Who would want to contradict this? It would be an online suicide mission ...

      Nevertheless, I dare to place a carefully worded objection. Cars are from some (at the latest 10) years no longer cheaper. The annual loss of value may tend to zero, but the maintenance and repair costs increase disproportionately and the reliability of the vehicle decreases ...

      An increase in value is usually still a long way off after 9, 10 or 11 years. That may be different with SAAB. But that also varies a lot depending on the model and equipment.

      In short, the statement that EVERYONE can really "cost less and more sustainable" ultimately every SAAB than any other car is too lumpy and I think it is completely wrong.




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  • 11. July 2018 at 12: 58 PM
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    Tom makes me ponder 😉 I never had the BRZ on the radar until he was on Bilster Mountain. I've had an appetite for it since then. Would be something sporty, as long as you can still have fun and it is not prohibited. (It's definitely coming!) The Alpine is delicious, the Peugot interesting. Difficult…




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  • 11. July 2018 at 1: 13 PM
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    The thoughts are free ... ;-), and that's a good thing!
    BRZ, from the age I'm out 😉 and "rationally controlled", no longer an issue.
    The (?) ALPINE was always a temptation for me ..., but TODAY makes the car benefit me no more fun: full, traffic jam, annoyed contemporaries, RED is now "only" a recommendation, etc.
    Remains the Peugeot: as an old 504 TI user in the 80-Zigern certainly an option if I needed a vehicle ..., but I restrict the use of cars just massively and increasingly use my own power and opportunity! 🙂

    Nevertheless, Tom, an article that opens the senses!




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  • 11. July 2018 at 1: 19 PM
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    Subjectively speaking, I find the Jaguar XE and the new Volvo S60 quite interesting ...




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  • 11. July 2018 at 1: 47 PM
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    If the family not only consists of Tom and a miniature Pinscher is with the Alpine or the BRZ the "big family vacation" probably utopia 😉
    KIA Stinger would be an alternative, also with a large tailgate.




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    • 11. July 2018 at 2: 03 PM
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      That is the privilege of a larger fleet. Then you may das




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      • 11. July 2018 at 2: 24 PM
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        Ok, I thought the new acquisition should be something of a "main car". Of course, this explains the really contradictory concepts of the vehicles available for selection.




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        • 11. July 2018 at 3: 22 PM
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          The main idea is towards fun. A110 or BRZ, as a supplement to the Saabs. The 508 would be a completely different story, and then probably a "main car". But right now it's really just mind games.




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    • 12. July 2018 at 6: 01 PM
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      Jupp, I can sign that, I tested the Stinger V6 Bi-Turbo (which I usually do not do at all, but I was curious about that). Huuui, that went off! Everything on quite a high level, only the qualitatively "last details" get others a bit better (from own experience Audi A5 Sportback) - in view of the price but actually hard to top!




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  • 11. July 2018 at 1: 52 PM
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    Subaru I have as a cruiser in mind, but passionless. Before SAAB, my cars were, to my liking, rather chosen for purpose and price performance. Externally, the one or the other car is because I think very nice but no later than when I reininsetze and see the interior, it goes to me again. I do not like displays and touchpads instead of instruments and switches. Having been in the IT industry for over 20 years ... 😉




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    • 11. July 2018 at 2: 01 PM
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      I know the problem. The current display flood, see Audi Q8 with meanwhile 3 displays, is deterrent. But China wants it that way. Not me.




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      • 12. July 2018 at 6: 21 PM
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        Ok, basically I'm with you, but then I have to break a lance for "German Premium" (terrible, this division, I know) - currently drive an Audi A5 Sportback (official) - and I have deliberately on the "Virtual Cockpit "waived - although I also come from the IT :-). So, nice analogue fittings, light leather, wood, Gotland-green metallic - all just like my old 9-5 Aero - and a large tailgate he has too! Is very comfortable! The Peugeot is quite ok, but optically I like the A5 or even a Jag or a Maserati (not used soooo expensive!) Still better - a matter of taste! And for the nice hours in the spare time I just have my open 9-3 I Aero ...




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  • 11. July 2018 at 2: 15 PM
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    Hmm - in fact delicious alternatives. The BRZ is already awesome - but brings the broad grin only between the ears when you actually exploits the speed range. In the Alpine even the cruising conjures a smile on the face - even in the wild seen but not experienced. Therefore, this probably comes quite close to the experience of the Saab ride: depending on need or mood, gliding or progressing rather quickly and always feel safe and master of the situation (or think in this same belief). The Peugeot definitely does not look bad on the outside - but everyone has to decide for himself if he feels comfortable inside as well ...
    Of the three available for selection is then the safe or the Alpine the tastiest offer. But maybe something else is more sexy: buying and building a normal maintained (so almost neglected) 9-3 Viggens up to the perfection you expected - that certainly blow up the price range of the BRZ promises but the possible driving experience a more permanent grin on the face and certainly falls because then the one or the other story in the blog while ...




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  • 11. July 2018 at 2: 53 PM
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    The 508 is already a very nice car and the station wagon will probably be even better. What makes the even tastier and I did not know is the matter with the engine. How can it be that the same engines are installed there as with the no longer released new models from Saab? Something has escaped me! Dear Tom, could you explain that to me? Thank you.




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    • 11. July 2018 at 3: 20 PM
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      With pleasure! The 1.6 liter would have come from the cooperation PSA / BMW. Saab internal code: N18. At the end of 2012, he would have come in the 9-3 III (Fenix), MY 2014 in the 9-5, and the MY 2016 in the 9-4x (Fenix) and would have replaced all 2.0 liter turbo petrol engines.




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      • 11. July 2018 at 9: 49 PM
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        Thanks for the clarification! Of course, the future still has to show if they run as reliably as the B 206 in my Aero. 😉




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        • 12. July 2018 at 10: 05 PM
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          Dear Zsolt, thank you for starting the explanation!
          The B206 is probably not in the Aero. B206 = B204 without balance shafts, probably only available in Europe at short notice in the 902 (Source: Wiki EN for Saab H-Engine)




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          • 14. July 2018 at 8: 37 PM
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            B207! Excuse me!




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  • 11. July 2018 at 5: 59 PM
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    Tom, I can only confirm that, the BRZ is a grenade, especially suitable for drifting. I have this car since 2012 itself. Pure driving pleasure. Nothing bangs, nothing breaks, just refuel, new tires and inspection! Instead of the Peugeot 508, I can only recommend my Subaru WRX STI, an 2010 model. Unfortunately, Peugeot has no value for me! The Alpine A 110 very nice, but also relatively tight for tall people. LG




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  • 11. July 2018 at 6: 13 PM
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    The fascination of the Subaru BRZ lights up immediately!

    A boxer and a high-speed sucker are about as exotic today as the SAAB turbos once were. The turbo is already mainstream. This speaks for the concept and may be a late satisfaction and confirmation to one or another SAAB engineer ...

    ... if the early turbo fathers and grandfathers are still alive and take note of that.

    A turbo is also a complex and sensitive part of engine management, requiring additional hoses and by-pass valves (which will age, crack, or break), and the supercharger itself usually has a much shorter life than the engine block.

    Anyway, with my youngest SAAB, the second loader has long been inside and the by-pass valve has been broken before. At just under 120.000 Km, two-thirds of all breakdowns are directly or indirectly attributable to (otherwise very innovative, effective and efficient) forced ventilation.

    The basic principle of a boxer initially requires more components than an in-line engine. However, the mass balance in a boxer is perfect per se. From the 9000, SAAB has forced the smooth running of an 4 cylinder in-line engine with much technical effort from its 6 series cylinders. Even the German motor press was full of praise on this point.

    Such smooth and potent 4 cylinder had not seen the world until then. With turbo and two counter-balance shafts but they also belonged to the complex engineered aggregates. To put it more positively, these were probably the most advanced 4 cylinders on the market.
    Whether such an aggregate actually manages with fewer components than a boxer at the end, but you would have to recount times based on the exploded views and understand.

    It may also apply here that perhaps not all roads lead to Rome, but at least more than one. And there seems to me the Subaru BRZ a possible way off the mainstream to tread. This is of course very nice and technically interesting ...

    That's exactly how SAAB did it. At any given time, they are both off the mainstream anyway. So there is at least something like the lowest common denominator between Subaru and SAAB. It is the willingness to go your own way. After all …




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    • 12. July 2018 at 9: 30 AM
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      With 120000km already the second loader? This is quite unusual if you do not expect a "operator error". With my 9-3I the first loader was due at about 300000km, the 9k I sold with 270000km (1 loader still ok), at the 9-5 the loader was changed by the previous owner at 210000km and at the 901 I joined 220000km thrown out the loader. Not because it was necessary, but because I wanted a bigger one with more steam. Our Volvos (diesel, is not comparable to 100%) were or are still on the other side of the 300000km with the first loader assembly on the way.




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      • 12. July 2018 at 3: 23 PM
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        How to define "operator error" with a loader?

        The trusted SAAB service partner asked me if I might have just sped up (which was true). Furthermore, he wanted to know if the vehicle would have braked, if I had maybe driven over a bump. Maybe a rather elongated on the highway, which was not visible and not signposted ...

        It was all right. But how did he know that? ? ?

        He explained that it would happen all the time. In case of uneven floors would also sag the oil supply of the supercharger. Stupid, if the then just running at full speed and suddenly unlubricated on 22.000 RPM ...

        Meanwhile, I know the bump and go from the gas before. Meanwhile, I also know about the described weakness. But was that a "operator error" before? I think no!

        Why should an engine behind the suspension be so far behind? It does not make any sense to build a car that passes smoothly on a bump, but weakens or even spontaneously and completely disassembled important components of the drive.




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        • 12. July 2018 at 4: 35 PM
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          With "operator error" I meant a loader in the cold state to demand full boost pressure and turn it off red-hot easy. So you kill every loader after a short time.

          I'm trying to imagine just like a bump or similar. the oil supply breaks down ... especially as the part hangs on a string with the remaining oil supply to the engine. Then there would also be a damage. In a healthy engine, the oil pressure is usually more than adequate and the oil "spills" not only easily through the lines ... which are not in vain made of metal.

          Anyway, it was not what I meant by "operator error".




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          • 12. July 2018 at 8: 34 PM
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            When the bump came, the car was neither red-hot turned off nor cold, but with 200 Km / h on the way and already running just under 200 Km. With ideal temperature and otherwise under conditions that I considered perfectly normal.

            I can not say more about that either. And why should the oil supply of the supercharger suffer from a bump, does not shine on me ...

            But it was amazing how completely I was informed of the correct analysis of the driving situation (which actually preceded the damage). There must be something right. Especially since the service of trust based on experience ...




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          • 12. July 2018 at 9: 04 PM
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            Since the software does not let me respond to the last post: As I said, an "operator error" I had with someone who obviously not only since yesterday drives a turbo actually excluded.
            In general, regardless of the situation described here, but a possibility for a much shorter loader life.




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          • 13. July 2018 at 10: 52 AM
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            As I said, the SAAB service partner was very specific and precise ...

            It's not about cobblestones, gravel roads or potholes. A rumble in the chassis is no problem at all for the loader and its oil supply.

            Only long and deep bumps in which the vehicle sags and springs in deeply can interrupt the charger's oil supply. And that probably only if the vehicle is required at the same time (acceleration / high engine speed).

            That comes on German highways (without speed limit) but apparently from time to time, because the problem was known. I was neither a first case nor an isolated case.

            And when I think about it, then this explanation is also technically obvious to me. Sufficient oil pressure and metal pipes are nice and good, but an engine is not brimming with oil. There is also air in the system. And that's easier. The described (and precisely analyzed by the service) driving situation seems to me since already suitable to push the oil down and the loader in the wrong and decisive moment to "dry" briefly.

            In that sense, that was actually a "operator error". To avoid it, I would have to know about the problem and see or already know the bump. Had, would, would have ...

            I'm not blaming myself. Not the car either. But to my statement that a loader often does not last as long as the engine, I stand. And if I understand correctly, we share this experience (albeit with different cars and mileages ...).




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        • 12. July 2018 at 6: 29 PM
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          Oh, I have not heard that either - interesting and good to know!




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  • 11. July 2018 at 6: 19 PM
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    I'm just imagining our caravan tandem behind the A 110 ...
    Great car with character and style, but only limited use as an everyday car.

    Greeting

    Linus




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  • 11. July 2018 at 10: 56 PM
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    These are already interesting vehicles. For me personally, these would not come into question. Since I have to select a new vehicle every 3 years, I am currently looking for an alternative to the V70, because the V90 is currently much too off-hook (from the prices). The interesting vehicles for me currently come from Kia with the Stinger, but also the Kia Optima. Let's see what it will be




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  • 12. July 2018 at 11: 07 AM
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    I would not have thought it, but on my radar, the new "American" Volvo S60 with interesting technology (including "double wishbone" - chassis ...) appeared. The Peugeot has also become really chic.
    The Alpine I find exciting. Would be with me a tight purchase duel with an Alfa Romeo 4C.




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  • 12. July 2018 at 12: 15 PM
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    The GT at second glance:

    He is cheap to have and his appearance is soothing. The technical concept is different and exciting. But a look at the technical data catches my fascination and interest ...

    That my 9-5 SC (2,0t deceived) does not consume any more, reaches a higher speed and sticks to the small BRZ itself of 0 on 100 on the bumper, irritates me then but a bit ...

    Already its predecessor (an 9000) could do that. After all, all fully grown cars with 5 seats and a much larger trunk. SAAB probably did a lot right and really well a long time ago ...

    There are significantly lighter and more agile two-seaters than a GT, which do more and also consume even less. The "added value" of the BRZ must be somewhere else and apart from the technical data ...

    Maybe it is (apart from the low price) yes just the abandonment of a complex aggregate? The abandonment of lightweight construction? Maybe you just have to drive it yourself to really understand it?




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    • 12. July 2018 at 1: 29 PM
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      The GT is affordable lightweight and, due to the extremely low center of gravity, fascinating road conditions. And a great high speed boxer. A car for the highway, for fast corners. Not for top speed. You have to rethink seriously, dear Herbert. Where: A weight reduced even more version would be great. Less is usually more.




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      • 12. July 2018 at 4: 22 PM
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        Yes Tom, I think I should lend Herbert my BRZ with 280 PS? Then on the Nordschleife, he with his stalked 9-5-Untersteurer, as separates very quickly the chaff from the wheat! In terms of performance, they should be the same in order to be objective. The two cars are not comparable in type, right? There is hardly any difference. Keep it up. PS: By the way, I have been driving 17 Subarus since 53 years next to Saab (6 years). LG




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        • 12. July 2018 at 6: 54 PM
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          Is that a serious offer?
          Then, of course, I assume! ! !

          I also realize that a BRZ will be fun on a closed road. Especially if he does not conform to the series, but has 280 PS.

          I love driving with a crisp 6 gearbox, low center of gravity, short overhangs, rear wheel drive and 400 to 500 Kg less the Nordschleife. Of course, there are no chrome glasses with ...

          But the point is different: What is a good alternative to or a good addition to the SAABs on the farm?

          And that's where other cars come to mind. A BRZ can be a supplement, but is certainly not the only possible ...




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  • 12. July 2018 at 2: 21 PM
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    For me there is no "desire for new cars" anymore. Just because of all the displays and touchscreens and the overflowing (IT) technology anymore. Have in the meantime also unsubscribed the ams (which I hardly had read anyway in the last few years) ...

    I tend to go the other way. After 9-5 chrome goggles (my last new car) there was an 9-5 Aero from 2004 and the next "main car" is expected to be an 9000 Aero from 1996. Less from cost considerations or "ideological" motivation (sustainability), but because I like the old cars as an alternative to the newer mostly mainstream models with felt 100 variations (niches) increasingly better. If it had to be something bigger, it would be an "old" BMW 7er (E38) or a "classic" Jaguar XJ (X350). In addition, as a second or third vehicle, I drive an 9-3I coupe from 2001 and an 900I convertible from 1992, which I will both receive and keep as long as possible.




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    • 12. July 2018 at 11: 38 PM
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      Tom7346, I agree: "new cars" do not interest me anymore!

      I work near a big Sixt agency, and what I see there looks pretty much the same, Jaguar to BMW, Audi and Daimler, Kia and Volvo in between ... it's frighteningly boring, especially since I'm too young for articulated SUVs.

      My real main problem with the car is that they give me no feeling: driving pleasure is for me less full throttle acceleration on the AB or at the traffic lights (2-5x fun, then boring), certainly not an electronic gimmick (1x funny , then bland), but the border area in curves, and I achieve that with today's robots far beyond StVO and reason. A car of the 70er, 80er or 90er is already starting to scrape before today's dampen their damper; and if you just want to get from A to B, then you just take it easy and drive the SUVs in the curves afterwards; and so I drive 25 tkm a year.

      Saab 901 to 931, E34 or W126 are also cars like the one you mentioned: solid, fun to drive, and in my insignificant opinion much more individual, restrained and stylish than any niche new car.

      Or as Tom would say: analog.




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  • 12. July 2018 at 3: 38 PM
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    As I wrote before, maybe you have to drive him to understand him?

    But especially in terms of "(affordable) lightweight" I think the BRZ from the data is disappointing. About 1,2 tons for two seats are not lightweight. Affordable yes, lightweight no!

    Less would be really more. There are competitors who need 2 seconds less from 0 to 100 with similar performance. These are worlds.

    However, the up to 300 Kg lighter competition is not so easy to pay. Less is more - sometimes it costs more - significantly more ...




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    • 12. July 2018 at 3: 45 PM
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      Exactly: Driving to understand is good, it's fun! Of course, the lighter competitors play a completely different kind of music, a small lotus is much more extreme.




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  • 14. July 2018 at 9: 16 AM
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    My favorite for a new car was until yesterday the new DS7. Looked at him, outside and inside great car, but the dashboard is just terrible. Terrible what is offered, no overview, no outline and everything completely oversubscribed.
    I stay with my Saab 🙂




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    • 14. July 2018 at 10: 10 AM
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      I look like you! The DS7 made me curious in the beginning, but the interior design does not work. Too much show, not cool at all.




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