With the electric car in the automobile future?

Are we driving electrically into the automotive future and how open is the Saab community to new technologies? Electric car! A word that has moved and split the Saab community since the NEVS press conference. I drive since 1992 Saab. I started with a Saab 900S, which of course had a turbo under the hood. Why? I drive Saab because Saab is turbo and because Saab 20 years before was considered to be particularly innovative. Turbo technology, high safety, and strict environmental standards before other manufacturers discovered these topics for themselves. Amongst other things. There are more reasons for this. Good conditions to approach new technologies.

Electric car at the power outlet

So this week, we'll be looking over our Saab box and testing new, alternative drives. How do we see the matter of e-mobility? Can we imagine going into the future with batteries? Electromobility should be environmentally friendly, but brings with it many questions.

There is the production of batteries, which is harmful to the environment and whose explosiveness is still not considered in any environmental balance. And there is the question of the power source.

Where does the electricity come from ...

An electric car needs electricity. The electricity does not come from the socket. Driving with a battery makes little sense if the electricity has to be generated with lignite or nuclear power. A topic that divides. My neighbor works in the solar industry. This will soon solve our personal green electricity problem. With a corresponding system on our roofs, we will produce our own electricity in the medium term and we could also move an electric car in an environmentally friendly way. But not everyone has this option.

The electric car future has started. Charging stations are located in the metropolitan areas, the middle cities are catching up and it is only a matter of time before electric charging stations are also available in the provinces. Only the right cars are missing, right?

Can inspire an electric car...

Electrouto and emotion, a chapter in itself. If I think of an electric car, then small, Spartan abandonment mobile appear before my eyes. Strange things like a Mitsubishi who awakens, as it is called, funny associations. Or cars like the Opel Ampera. The look like I do not want a car. Or the Toyota Prius models. They are hybrid and not electric, but look so damn politically correct and so little for driving pleasure.

Renault now has an entire electric fleet. A small van that makes sense for inner-city delivery. A limousine with strange names, which at first glance looks like a Chinese make and which looks very uninspired. But Renault can do it differently. The Renault Twizy looks fun and sells well because of that. But the Twizy is the niche in the niche and due to the lack of variability it is not a real alternative.

Electric car = abandonment car?

No, I do not want a renouncement car! But an e-mobile does not necessarily have to be a waiver or a restriction. It does not necessarily have a slanted design. There is also electromobility, which looks damned for driving pleasure and is still an environmentally friendly car. Tesla for example. Cool sports car on Lotus basis. Or the Model S. Damn elegant, close to a Jaguar, and with 480 kilometers range absolutely suitable for everyday use. This is how a battery car could be fun.

The Fisker Karma comes from the range extender fraction. Built by Valmet Automotive, formerly Saab-Valmet, in Uusikaupunki. Equipped with the finest leather from Scotland and “Rescue Wood” from California. If this seems familiar, you are right. Leather from Scotland used to be found in the Saab 900 and 9000. California root wood from plantation cultivation, which was considered environmentally friendly years ago, was also an equipment detail. Today you go further and use open-pore “Rescue Wood”, which is left after forest fires. Is karma an individual upper class solution, as we would imagine from Saab?

Here we go! Mark refueled, or even invites the Fisker!

Saab = Range Extender ...

If Saab had brought an electric car onto the market in large numbers, it would probably have been a car with a range extender. Saab Automobile AB applied for a patent for such a concept in 2011. In a Saab 9-3 car series, it would not have been a waiver mobile. Driving fun and typical Saab properties such as safety, durability and suitability for long journeys would have been included. Utility value - a Saab virtue in itself - in a full body would be guaranteed.

Saab electrical dreams are coupled to the Saab 9-3 and the Phoenix platform. The rights for the Saab 9-3 are, at least for the time being, at NEVS. The Phoenix platform is being used by NEVS, Lotus-Youngman and Mahindra will probably also have future plans with this platform. It is possible because the use will be “non-exclusive” and, depending on the requirements, completely different products could be created.

Would we buy an electric car? Can it arouse emotions? I have, admittedly, never moved one. We change that. Because what if Mahindra or NEVS, theoretically, in Trollhättan would build an e-car on Saab-based? Would we buy it when the griffin emblazoned on the hood? Or is there just turbo for us and turbo again?

How open are we to new technology? Does the electric car have a chance in the community, maybe it wouldn't even matter which brand it comes from? Or are we not in the mood for batteries with 4 wheels? Questions after questions ...

Reason for Mark and me to approach the Range Extender faction. Of course with level, because we are Saab drivers. A Chevrolet Volt or its Opel derivative stays in front of the door on principle. The Fisker Karma, upper class on the electric trip, is our object for a presentation and comprehensive report. Because Fisker does not dare to start from below, but from the very top.

The concept seems to be correct as Fisker will build 15.400 vehicles this year. More on the Fisker blog tomorrow, and we answer the question of whether an electric car can arouse enthusiasm.

Text: tom@saabblog.net

Pictures: saabblog.net

10 thoughts on "With the electric car in the automobile future?"

  • I'm open a lot, but a Saab that I would have to plug into an outlet does not come to the yard.

  • I just read on Yahoo how the CEO of Vattenfall said that electricity prices will rise in the longer term. Also and especially because of the energy transition! A rogue who thinks evil….
    So where do the electric cars stay? Are not they more expensive to maintain due to electricity prices based on the annual mileage of 30000 Km? What is our state doing with regard to vehicle tax? The power for those cars with electric drive then higher, because on the other hand, the mineral oil tax and the VAT. (to a certain extent) fall away?
    Then where are all the workshops when such cars only have to be checked every two years by the TÜV and hardly or not at all? (brushless electric motor, drive sits directly in the wheels, etc.)
    Regardless: I do not see the electromobile future. Rather, those who rely on hydrogen as an energy source and can be produced environmentally compatible with a solar system. (see a Stuttgart vehicle manufacturer)
    What a shame if what the rumor mill says about BMW and Toyota and what was once (allegedly) in connection with the purchase of SAAB AB before Nevs got the bid, had come ...?
    First of all hybrid with the technology of Toyota, paired with a gasoline or diesel engine from BMW and the safety technology and body of SAAB, as 93er or even 95er with the brand name SAAB on it. Then an electric car and as another new development of both car companies, a car with hydrogen drive? Unfortunately, a dream that has burst with the purchase of Nevs?

  • Very good article - thank you. You have to be aware, however, that the drive technology cannot be converted overnight. If the market share of electric vehicles reached 10%, it would be a sensation. Would the raw materials for batteries be available in sufficient quantities (and for how long), is the disposal of the sometimes highly toxic parts guaranteed, etc. etc.? As long as these questions remain unanswered, many motorists will still rely on the reliable, further developed internal combustion engines, with which they can drive easily, safely and in all weathers. In addition, one should not join in the Co2 panic and one should better ask oneself where our flora and thus we would be if there were no more Co2 ?! In this sense, I believe that (should there really be a future SAAB) it should at least be equipped with hybrid technology or a reliable range extender so that you can be relaxed on long journeys. It would be even better if the customer could choose a technology that suits them and conventional models would also be included.

  • Very interesting article. If an electric car met my requirements profile, I would probably include it in the selection. Why not under the given condition?
    Whether I would buy it with a griffin on the hood, I would not know at present. If a provider such as NEVS currently (based on what is to be read) does not show any interest in the history of the brand (and the heads that made up Saab have disappeared), then I'm losing interest in buying something from them.

  • The future of electromobility stands and falls with “clean” power generation and battery technology. If we are really only at the beginning of the possibilities, electromobility will prevail.

    What could be the alternative? Second generation biofuels could rely on a nationwide service station network; But can enough bio-fuel be produced in an environmentally friendly way without competition with food production?

    Will there be other alternatives? Also in the future it will not work without private transport. Except in the metropolitan areas, public transport is poorly developed. Moreover, you rarely meet the flexibility of working hours required on the labor market.

    The future remains exciting.

    Greetings from Bad Salzdetfurth
    Ulrich

  • Can new concepts inspire e-cars? The question can only be rhetorical.
    Of course, new concepts can inspire. It depends on how open you are to them. I want to be surprised and give opportunities.
    1. I drove the Ampera a good 18 months ago. I am thrilled that brisk movement is possible without noise. And that is extremely dynamic. For starters, I think we're just beginning to develop, really good. I save comments on design and GM because they do not concern the question of the e-concept as such.
    2. I miss an important aspect in the post. If the world were as dense as we, or the United States, were automobile and everyone was actuating the starter at the same time, then maybe we could drive another 20 minutes and all oil reserves would be used up. Apart from oxygen. No more whistling from the turbo will help. I like it! I have four! But nothing whistles without fuel. Our Western view of globally necessary strategies falls short. The e-concept could offer a broader answer.
    3. Anyone who has ever been to one of the huge metropolises and fought with a pseudo croup knows that nobody has to have it. But have millions of people. More coal-fired power plants will not be the solution! Certainly not nuclear power! I am sure that we will make great progress in the area of ​​environmentally friendly energy generation, electricity generation. See the development of efficiency in solar cells, which has even been underestimated by experts.
    4. I think it is extremely good that the topic of the future of automobiles is also addressed here. I wish the discourse many contributions, even if it can only touch on the topic due to the brevity. (see above!) Would I buy an E-Saab? Of course, if he carries the genes that have made Saab to me for 30 years. At that time, those around me didn't understand why I bought SUCH A CAR. It can stay that way.
    Kind regards
    Everton

  • Congratulations Tom, for another very good article!
    Nevertheless, I have to contradict you on one point. You write that you drive Saab “because Saab is turbo”. Despite the fact that Saab and Turbo (quite rightly) “are in a very close - also emotional - relationship”, it should not be overlooked that Saab is much more than Turbo. Saab also stands for (one could almost say: Saab is synonymous with ...) safety, ergonomics, innovation, progress, individuality, etc. And that's exactly what your article aims at: not just to have been progressive and innovative a long time ago to be, a critical examination of the topic of electromobility is not only worthwhile, but is actually downright mandatory - which of course does not mean that only an electric Saab has a promising future and makes sense.

  • I'm looking forward to the Fisker!

  • Great contribution - full approval from a turbo freak from the very beginning (99tu driven 1979, currently 9-3 CV 2.8 Aero / Hirsch)

  • No matter how it goes with SAAB, the engines we grew up with will retire before us. Inevitably. One will get used to other drives. With or without turbo. Loud or quiet. One thing you should not forget in this discussion. The Turbo Pass is over in the combustion engine when we no longer have the nature we enjoy in our sails.
    As far as I can remember, it has always been SAAB's interest to make progress over the others. To be innovative. if the innovation is to save, to protect what is the life of all of us, then Saab should also take the e-path in the future.
    But SAAB is more than a turbo. SAAB is culture, life - we are Saab as long as we drive Saab.
    If Saab changes too, we shouldn't ignore that everything is subject to change, including us. If we care so much about Saab, we have to let change happen. We can still cherish and care for our “holy cows” (SÄÄBE) - and keep the turbo age in good memory.

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