With the electric car in the automobile future?

Are we driving electrically into the automotive future and how open is the Saab community to new technologies? Electric car! A word that has moved and split the Saab community since the NEVS press conference. I drive since 1992 Saab. I started with a Saab 900S, which of course had a turbo under the hood. Why? I drive Saab because Saab is turbo and because Saab 20 years before was considered to be particularly innovative. Turbo technology, high safety, and strict environmental standards before other manufacturers discovered these topics for themselves. Amongst other things. There are more reasons for this. Good conditions to approach new technologies.

Electric car at the power outlet

So this week, we'll be looking over our Saab box and testing new, alternative drives. How do we see the matter of e-mobility? Can we imagine going into the future with batteries? Electromobility should be environmentally friendly, but brings with it many questions.

There is the production of batteries, which is harmful to the environment and whose explosiveness is still not considered in any environmental balance. And there is the question of the power source.

Where does the electricity come from ...

An electric car needs electricity. The electricity just does not come out of the socket. Traveling with a battery makes little sense if the electricity has to be generated with lignite or nuclear power. A topic that splits. My neighbor works in the solar industry. This will solve our personal eco-electricity problem soon. With a corresponding system on our roofs, we will produce our own electricity in the medium term and could also move an electric car in an environmentally friendly manner. But not everybody has this possibility.

The electric car future has started. Charging stations are located in the metropolitan areas, the middle cities are catching up and it is only a matter of time before electric charging stations are also available in the provinces. Only the right cars are missing, right?

Can inspire an electric car...

Electrouto and emotion, a chapter in itself. If I think of an electric car, then small, Spartan abandonment mobile appear before my eyes. Strange things like a Mitsubishi who awakens, as it is called, funny associations. Or cars like the Opel Ampera. The look like I do not want a car. Or the Toyota Prius models. They are hybrid and not electric, but look so damn politically correct and so little for driving pleasure.

From Renault now comes a whole electric fleet. A small van that makes sense for inner-city delivery traffic. A limousine, with a strange name, and at first glance reminds of a Chinese make and looks very uninspired. But Renault can be different too. The Renault Twizy Looks like fun and sells well too. But the Twizy is the niche in the niche and due to lack of variability no real alternative.

Electric car = abandonment car?

No, I do not want a renouncement car! But an e-mobile does not necessarily have to be a waiver or a restriction. It does not necessarily have a slanted design. There is also electromobility, which looks damned for driving pleasure and is still an environmentally friendly car. Tesla for example. Cool sports car on Lotus basis. Or the Model S. Damn elegant, close to a Jaguar, and with 480 kilometers range absolutely suitable for everyday use. This is how a battery car could be fun.

From the range extender fraction comes the Fisker Karma. Built by Valmet Automotive, formerly Saab-Valmet, in Uusikaupunki. Fitted with the finest leather from Scotland and "Rescue Wood" from California. If that sounds familiar, that's right. Leather from Scotland used to be found in the Saab 900 and 9000. California rootstock from plantation cultivation, which was considered environmentally friendly years ago, was also a detail of equipment. Today you continue and use open-pored Rescue Wood left over after forest fires. Is karma an individual superclass solution, as we would imagine it to be from Saab?

Here we go! Mark refueled, or even invites the Fisker!

Saab = Range Extender ...

If Saab had launched an electric car in large numbers on the market, it would probably have been a car with range extender. In 2011, such a concept was patented by Saab Automobile AB. In a Saab 9-3 Karroserie it would not have been a waiver. Driving pleasure and Saab-typical features such as safety, longevity and fitness for long distances would have been included. Utility - a Saab virtue in itself - in a full body would be guaranteed.

Saab electrical rooms are coupled to the Saab 9-3 and the Phoenix platform. The rights to the Saab 9-3 are, at least for the time being, NEVS. The Phoenix platform is claimed by NEVS, Lotus-Youngman and probably Mahindra will also have plans for the future with this platform. It is possible, because the use will be "non-exclusive", and depending on the requirement completely different products could arise.

Would we buy an electric car? Can it arouse emotions? I have, admittedly, never moved one. We change that. Because what if Mahindra or NEVS, theoretically, in Trollhättan would build an e-car on Saab-based? Would we buy it when the griffin emblazoned on the hood? Or is there just turbo for us and turbo again?

How open-minded are we to new technology? If the electric car has a chance in the community, would it even matter which brand it comes from? Or do we not like batteries with 4 wheels? Questions about questions ...

Reason for Mark and me to approach the Range Extender Faction. Of course with level, because we are Saab driver. A Chevrolet Volt or its Opel derivative remains already on principle at the door. The Fisker Karma, upper class on the electric trip, is our object for a presentation and comprehensive reportage. Because Fisker dares the entry not from below but from the top.

The concept seems to be correct as Fisker will build 15.400 vehicles this year. More on the Fisker blog tomorrow, and we answer the question of whether an electric car can arouse enthusiasm.

Text: tom@saabblog.net

Pictures: saabblog.net

10 thoughts too "With the electric car in the automobile future?"

  • No matter how it goes with SAAB, the engines we grew up with will retire before us. Inevitably. One will get used to other drives. With or without turbo. Loud or quiet. One thing you should not forget in this discussion. The Turbo Pass is over in the combustion engine when we no longer have the nature we enjoy in our sails.
    As far as I can remember, it has always been SAAB's interest to make progress over the others. To be innovative. if the innovation is to save, to protect what is the life of all of us, then Saab should also take the e-path in the future.
    But SAAB is more than turbo. SAAB is culture, life - we are Saab as long as we drive Saab.
    If Saab changes, we should not forget that everything is changing, including us. If we care so much about Saab, we have to make the change happen. We can still nurture and nurture our "holy cows" (SOWERS) - and keep the turbo era in beautiful memory.

  • Super Post - Full approval from a first-hour turbofreak (99tu driven 1979, currently 9-3 CV 2.8 Aero / Hirsch)

  • I'm looking forward to the Fisker!

  • Congratulations Tom, for another very good article!
    Nevertheless, I have to contradict you in one point. You write that you drive Saab "because Saab is turbo". Despite the fact that Saab and Turbo (quite rightly) "in a very close - even emotional - relationship to each other", it must not be overlooked that Saab is much more than turbo. Saab stands for (almost could be said: Saab is synonymous with ...) safety, ergonomics, innovation, progress, individuality, etc. And that is exactly what your article aims for: not just some time ago, once advanced and innovative not only is it worthwhile to deal critically with the issue of electromobility, but it is actually an obligation - which of course does not mean that only an electric Saab is future-promising and meaningful.

  • Can new concepts inspire e-cars? The question can only be rhetorical.
    Of course, new concepts can inspire. It depends on how open you are to them. I want to be surprised and give opportunities.
    1. Well over 18 months ago I drove the Ampera. I am thrilled that brisk movement goes without noise. And that very dynamic. For starters, I think we are only at the beginning of development, really good. Comments on the design and GM I save myself because they do not affect the question of the e-concept as such.
    2. I miss an important aspect in the post. If the world were as dense as we, or the US, were auto-mobilized, and everyone was cranking the starter at the same time, then maybe we could drive for 20 minutes and all oil reserves would be used up. Apart from the oxygen. Then no ingenious whistling of the turbo helps. I like it! I have four! But without fuel nothing whistles. Our Western view of globally necessary strategies falls short. The e-concept could offer a broader answer.
    3. Anyone who has ever been in one of the huge cities and fought with a pseudo-squad knows that nobody has to. But have millions of people. More coal-fired power plants will not be the solution! Nuclear power certainly not! I am sure that we will make great progress in the field of environmentally friendly energy production, electricity generation. See the evolution of solar cell efficiency, which even experts have underestimated.
    4. I think it's very good that the theme of future automobiles is being tackled here as well. I wish many contributions to the discourse, even though they can only ever touch on the topic due to the brevity. (see above!) If I would buy an E-Saab? Sure, if he's got the genes Saab's been making out to me for 30 years. At the time, my environment did not understand why I bought SO ONE CAR. That's the way it stays.
    Kind regards
    Everton

  • The future of electromobility stands and falls with the "clean" power generation and battery technology, we are here really only at the beginning of the possibilities, the electromobility will prevail.

    What could be the alternative? Second generation biofuels could rely on a nationwide service station network; But can enough bio-fuel be produced in an environmentally friendly way without competition with food production?

    Will there be other alternatives? Also in the future it will not work without private transport. Except in the metropolitan areas, public transport is poorly developed. Moreover, you rarely meet the flexibility of working hours required on the labor market.

    The future remains exciting.

    Greetings from Bad Salzdetfurth
    Ulrich

  • Very interesting article. If an electric car met my requirements profile, I would probably include it in the selection. Why not under the given condition?
    Whether I would buy it with a griffin on the hood, I would not know at present. If a provider such as NEVS currently (based on what is to be read) does not show any interest in the history of the brand (and the heads that made up Saab have disappeared), then I'm losing interest in buying something from them.

  • Very good article - thanks. But you have to be aware that the conversion of drive technology can not happen overnight. Even if the market share of electric vehicles reached 10%, that would be a sensation. If the raw materials for rechargeable batteries were sufficient (and how long) available, is the disposal of the partially highly toxic parts guaranteed, etc. etc.? As long as these questions are still open, many drivers will still rely on the reliable, advanced combustion engines that allow them to be uncomplicated, safe and in any weather conditions. In addition, one should not get involved in the Co2 panic and you should better ask yourself, where our plant world and therefore we would be if there were no more Co2? In that sense, I believe that (should there really be a future SAAB) it should at least be equipped with hybrid technology or with a reliable range extender, so that you could be relaxed even on long journeys. It would be even better if the customer could decide on a technology that appeals to him and conventional models would be included as well.

  • I just read on Yahoo, as the CEO of Vattenfall has said that electricity prices will rise in the longer term. Also and especially because of the energy turnaround! A rogue who thinks evil….
    So where do the electric cars stay? Are not they more expensive to maintain due to electricity prices based on the annual mileage of 30000 Km? What is our state doing with regard to vehicle tax? The power for those cars with electric drive then higher, because on the other hand, the mineral oil tax and the VAT. (to a certain extent) fall away?
    Where then all workshops, if such cars only every 2 years to TÜV and hardly nothing has to be repaired? (brushless electric motor, drive sits directly in the wheels, etc.)
    Regardless: I do not see the electromobile future. Rather, those who rely on hydrogen as an energy source and can be produced environmentally compatible with a solar system. (see a Stuttgart vehicle manufacturer)
    What a pity if what the rumor mill says about BMW and Toyota and what happened (allegedly) in connection with the purchase of SAAB AB, before Nevs was awarded the contract ...?
    First of all hybrid with the technology of Toyota, paired with a gasoline or diesel engine from BMW and the safety technology and body of SAAB, as 93er or even 95er with the brand name SAAB on it. Then an electric car and as another new development of both car companies, a car with hydrogen drive? Unfortunately, a dream that has burst with the purchase of Nevs?

  • I'm open a lot, but a Saab I would have to connect to a socket does not come to me in the yard.

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