Saab meets Mahindra

The news situation in Sweden is not very productive, which gives us time to think outside the box. Mahindra is traded as a prospective shareholder or owner of NEVS-Saab. Unconfirmed, but the business press in Sweden sees a high probability.

Saab meets Mahindra © 2014 saabblog.net
Saab meets Mahindra © 2014 saabblog.net

Mahindra is also present in Germany. Not as in some southern European countries, with their own pickups and SUVs. But with the brand Ssangyong, which was acquired by Mahindra majority before 4 years. The oldest Korean manufacturer is considered a four-wheel specialist, but its existence in the German market is below the perceptual limit. Fewer than 1.000 vehicles, more than 100 German Ssangyong dealers were able to bring 2013 to the customer.

Ssangyong - the niche in the niche

The model range consists of four vehicles. There's the Actyon Sport, a pickup designed to be a lifestyle truck without being particularly chic and attractive, and the needs of the actual pickup clientele have been ignored. There is only one wheelbase, one cabin version, a much too short cargo area.

The Rodius is a van with 9 seats, inexpensive, practical, robust. On request with all-wheel drive. Although Ssangyong speaks of the "new" Rodius. He is an elderly man and only got a facelift. People with a lot of space and limited budget like the Rodius. Cheaper you get with 9 people on board from the spot.

As a SUV, not as an SUV, of course, the Rexton. Officially, Ssangyong speaks of the Rexton W, he too an oldie in the program, which was refreshed again and again. And finally, as the most modern model, there is the Korando, A compact SUV, with a pleasing, Italian design. Fits in the market like Kia Sportage, Opel Mokka, or Hyundai iX35.

To give me an overview, I leave for Mainz. The Saab center Mainz is also a partner of Ssangyong. Carsten Scholl is already waiting for me and taking the time to tell me more about Ssangyong. First, though, I have to take a look at the Saabs in the showroom before plunging deep into the ssangyong theme. And there is also a quick look for readers.

So, that was the promised dose of Saab, back to Mahindra and Ssangyong. Since its acquisition by Mahindra, Carsten Scholl reports, all models have been gradually reworked. Completely new, under Mahindra direction developed vehicles are in the pipeline and will come in the next years on the market. 2013 has released Mahindra a billion euros for the development of new engines and platforms at Ssangyong.

The import to Germany takes place via the Alcadis Group. A Belgian importer who, in addition to Ssangyong, also sells Suzuki, Isuzu and Hyundai in several countries. The German branch is located in Kerpen, and with managing director Ulrich Mehling, a former Saab Germany boss is on board. Which also explains the increasing spread of Ssangyong among Saab partners.

How does the Rexton drive?

It's time to drive a ssangyong after a long preface. I'm interested in the Rexton. A real off-road vehicle, left over from a time when all-wheel-drive cars were still built for the field. And not for the best parking in front of the hippest trendy place in the city. He could be the grandson of the Defender and offers with a price starting from 25.000,00 € much car for the money.

The engine, developed by AVL 155 PS Diesel, runs smoothly. The five-speed automatic transmission, another legacy from the Daimler license period, shifts smoothly. The power steering is American. Man controls the car with a finger. You can like that, but you do not have to.

I like it, and while we roll over the highway, there's a view of the interior. Everything seems routinely processed, the fits are right, nothing clatters or squeaks. Room for criticism - there are no in this regard. Of course, the left elbow is reminiscent of the age of Rexton. He has almost as little freedom of movement as Defender. The Rexton is just a classic SUV.

A vehicle for the niche, which is unfortunately only allowed to pull 2.6 tons after the last facelift. Okay, for foresters, forest owners and people chugging around in the horse trailer, that could be a big minus point. But otherwise the ssangyong gets some sympathy from me. He is a solid and honest character with utility. Like that.

But what about the SUV from Ssangyong? How is the Korando, the latest model and the bearer of hope for increasing quantities.

The Korando

Since 1983 vehicles from the house Ssangyong carry the name Korando. Derived from "Koreans can do", self-esteem raises expectations. From the Korando it is best to deduce what Mahindra does and what not. The small SUV has been recently redesigned, and since both versions are available at the Saab Center Mainz, I can see what's going on.

Clear is the desire for more value. The current Korando comes within striking distance of the competitors. If on the steering wheel a signet of Hyundai, Kia or Opel, it would be believable. Inside everything looks good, feels good. The equipment is extensive, and you can have, among other Bluetooth and USB in series. The optional leather seats exude a touch of luxury.

However, things like Xenon, navigation system or assistance systems are neither for money nor for having a good word. A disadvantage that should not bother the current buyers of a Korando. They shop for the cheapest possible price, not a brand.

Mahindra & Saab?

The visit to Mainz makes me a bit baffled at first. But with every kilometer between the state capital and me, the view of the situation becomes clearer. On the credit side are the vehicles from Ssangyong. They are better and more sympathetic than expected. But if Saab was already in the niche, then Ssangyong builds the niche in the niche. Around 145.000 vehicles have produced the Koreans 2013, distributed on 4 quite different model series. And of the 4 series, 3 are very clear niche products.

The brand has no image, at least not in Europe. The level of awareness is barely measurable. The complete offer must be renewed in order to keep up. Ssangyong is, in my opinion, a big construction site. While Saab at least knows what the brand stands for, Ssangyong's profile is out of focus. Reliable four-wheel drive cars should be. Character, steadfastness, reliability, says the manufacturer, characterize a Ssangyong. Aha! But who thinks of Ssangyong? First of all, I think of a Japanese brand, one from the USA, one from England, one from southern Germany. But Ssangyong? None.

Mahindra has a lot of work to do with Ssangyong to bring the brand on the road to success. This requires liquidity, binds human resources. Can - and this is my question - Mahindra build Saab and Ssangyong at the same time? And are there synergies between both brands?

Maybe I am wrong now, and if so, then I would be glad of the error. Because, of course, as a Saab fan, I want a future for the brand and a good owner. A success story, like Tata at Jaguar and Land Rover, that would be to my liking. But the mind does not signal a green light. Mahindra already has a challenge to overcome and will be busy with Ssangyong for years.

In parallel, to send Saab into a bright future, Indians need an inexhaustible pool of human resources and lots and lots of money. The best thing is a cash deposit, like Dagobert Duck. But Mumbai is not Entenhausen. Or?

Text & Picture: tom@saabblog.net

42 thoughts too "Saab meets Mahindra"

  • Think the Ssangyong is for the suv division and Saab for sedan, station wagon and convertible. Engines can be shared. If Mahindra had enough money, that could become something. For me it sounds logical and successful in the long term. I would wish. Saab does not have to be recreated, it just keeps on running.

  • Hui, I bought my current 9-5 last year in March! Were they already Ssangyong dealers? That would be rather a bad sign, because I would not have noticed.

    As far as resources are concerned, this is not development aid where Indian managers need to fix the store. It takes money and some strategic decisions, and otherwise cars can be designed and built in Trollhättan, as well proven. Possibly. even ssangyongs. And certainly also electric cars.

  • Lookup: Looks like Ssangyong only installs Mercedes engines and has no engines of its own. And even Saab has no more engine plant. And now? Exclusively electric cars?

  • SsangYong is likely to be the heavier construction site. SAAB has an existing base (WIR) and strong social media (BLOG). Is only a question of money storage

  • That makes sense in the combination of Niesche-Niesche, especially in the development can bring a lot - SAAB develops and shares the platforms with the other - the goodwill of Mahindra & Co would rise - but money it still costs significantly and then it must but also earned again. On the other hand, it sounds like a comeback of the 9-4X. But I do not want comebacks anymore, I want something new and something SAAB-moderately special. I also need space. What I would always want from SAAB - for a new station wagon - would be a well thought out alternative to the VW T5 bus (SUVs are facing market saturation and mini vans are the better family carriages / company vehicles anyway - here the margins are good and the quantities are manageable ). Otherwise: look at me ... GOOD good!

  • Hello Tom.
    Thank you for your report about SsangYong. I still have one question:
    What impression did you leave that SAAB and SsangYoung were in a showroom? Does this fit or does it seem rather disturbing of the vehicles, or does a brand act like a foreign body?

    Otherwise, I could imagine that Mahindra has money for both tasks (Saab and SsangYoung). Because SsangYoung and Mahindra & Mahindra both do not build above-average cars and from there, of course, the money can not come from. But also Mahindra & Mahindra and SsangYoung are also "only" part of the MahindraGroup. If we are allowed to believe Wiki and their own homepage, then the MahindraGroup 2013 had a turnover of approximately 16,7 trillion US $!

    With sunny regards from Oldenburg

    Andre

    • Billions in the US are billions, or $ 16,7 billion

    • I would say that it does not fit in the showroom. But, to be fair, there are no vehicles developed by Ssangyong / Mahindra. And the new interior of the Korando is really promising. If Ssangyong continues, it will be interesting. I also think that the dealers are currently struggling with the splits Saab - Ssangyong. The clientele is too different and the switch between the mentalities for each seller a challenge.
      However, looking ahead to 10 years, Saab - Ssangyong could create a new automotive group with potential.
      Mahindra is the market leader in commercial vehicles in the subcontinent. Presumably one can afford with this background the expansion, how well filled the "war chest" really is, but is speculation.

  • Another question. Is it true that Mattias Bergman is currently in India? This gives room for speculation.

  • QDAniel.
    Thank you. I had something in the back of my mind. I was not sure and therefore did not convert and made no comparison eg to VW.
    Greeting André

  • Well, hopefully, Mr. Bergman will soon come back with good news from India.

    • Yes, hopefully, the hanging part lasts too long.

  • The Fa.
    http://www.gk-meisterservice.de/
    As Saab center in Krefeld also Ssang-Yong and even (my other brand) Subaru under one roof.
    I bought 2012 my 9-5II Turbo4 Aero again.
    We recommend!
    Driving from the station to operating in a ssang-yong, model Rexton was surprisingly pleasant.
    I have already thought about this brand myself ...
    SAAB and Ssang-Yong = fits.

  • wow an interesting story!
    Thanks for the great report!
    Saabige greetings!

  • Slowly I wish a worthy finish for SAAB! For dignity deserves this ingenious brand! But honestly, what is this ssang-yong and mahindra nonsense? SAAB can only be SAAB and I drive SAAB's since I was born, from 99er to 9-5er! SAAB was a family tradition and after 7 SAAB's is now unfortunately over! Just as the good old days do not come back, SAAB does not come back! Out of this passion, I wish that everyone still cherishes and maintains their SAAB (if they can afford it financially) as long as possible!

    Take a look at France and marvel at the Citroen Cactus! It is just such an idée fix which SAAB has missed and not only the missing money!

    If you have the chance, then drive this Citroen Cactus! It's like driving a SAAB 96! A little nasty but identical to the good old days :-)

    • It may be that the negotiations go out positively or negatively - to babble about Mahindra nonsense, I think for pomposity!

      Besides, we do not want to promote Citroen here in the blog - what's the nonsense?

      • If you talk about drunks then look to Sweden, they have been doing this for a long time and that's why SAAB had to go down! Sorry I do not want to advertise Citroen here but just wanted to throw some food for thought into the round! But exactly your reaction is the reason why it does not work with SAAB! Only with something special SAAB can assert itself again!

    • What does a Citroen Cactus have to do with Saab? Is it the outdated 5 gearbox, the egg-shaped steering wheel, or the fact that you can only open the rear windows? Soory, but I do not see anything there. Except perhaps that Citroen goes with the Cactus in the segment of cheap small car, the Saab has left at the latest with the 99.

      • Citroen does not even manage to install a sliding roof in its "upper class" car c5! Hahaha!

  • Comparing the Citroen Cactus with a Saab seems like a joke to me. The only parallel I see in it is that the Cactus is the attempt of a "raison d'être" ... that could also refer to the situation of Saab ... but not more!

    • I do not compare SAAB with Citroen, but the feeling of individuality and something special! SAAB has always attracted attention with its special shape, as was the case with Citroen! Only those had the PSA group in the back and could afford to build unpopular cars. But now the French automotive industry is struggling and you can not afford any more mistakes! If SAAB ever woke up from his sleep then something special must come again, just like a citroen cactus.

      When I drove around for a few days with an old SAAB 96, everyone turned their heads to SAAB and the funny thing was that nobody knew what that car was! So it's up to the shape and there would be something retro again :-)

    • However, Citroen suits Saab better than this Ssang Yong. What do the ugly plastic bombers have in common with a brand that likes to see themselves on par with Mercedes and BMW? Well, both have recently sold outdated Junk ...
      Those who believe in the great resurrection of Saab probably also believe in Santa Claus ...

      • Oh please, let's just take a look what makes Dongfeng as a new shareholder in the troubling PSA history. Without money from China and without money from the state, the lights go out. And give the NEVS people the chance to maybe lead the story in the right direction. The approach would be there at least.

        • You can not compare that with each other. PSA is out of the woods and has a reliable partner with Dongfeng whom you have been working with since 1992. PSA continues to build a whole range of models and develops new ones, some with revolutionary propulsion technologies such as Hybrid-Air.
          Sorry, but Saab builds, or better built, the facelift, the facelift from the facelift of a scrap car, that's a joke. If they had been able to continue building the 9-5II, I would have seen some light there

          • Whether PSA is on the safe side, that will show the future. I wish it, as I wish for Saab. However, NEVS builds an "old" car, or built to keep the plant running and manufacturing capability and keep it in THN. That should be acknowledged and the approach was not entirely wrong. Do not always see everything negative ...

          • Individuality and independence with Citroen, I do not know. For me, Citroen tried only to jump on the train, but in my eyes, because of lack of image goes wrong. (Mini, Fiat 500 etc.)

            I agree with the 9-5II! The goal should be to resume production of the 9-5II as quickly as possible (possibly with facelift) and also to build the new 9-3. Thought anyway, that would be close to market and then you started again to build the old 9-3.
            The two vehicles would be the Cashcows and then one brings gradually a convertible on the market. That would be enough for the beginning ... But it does not seem so easy?

  • Mahindra may be thinking of patch engineering as many other brands do.
    I'm thinking of SAAB for Europe, USA, .. and SsangYoung for Asia.
    So the saloons, station wagons, and convertibles from SAAB and the SUVs and off-road cars from SsangYoung each under a brand for the respective region.
    Korando (Asia) = SAAB X-4? (Europe) and SAAB 9-3 (Europe) = SsangYoung ?? (Asia).
    Such a procedure is not rare and you could use synergies and thus save money.

    • You mean a SaabYong a la GM? That would be death ..

      • The Feng Shui bonds are unfortunately visible everywhere in the vehicle design. No wonder if you see the sales figures in China. Although Volvo has strengthened the design department with Skoda Chef stylinten to tie in with the old design icon times. However, it will take at least a year for prototypes and several years for new cars to reach "Back to IKEA". The tools for the new series have already been ordered. After all, SAAB "GM Thanks" has no such problems.

  • Is not a comeback of 9-5 II not excluded ?! (GM licenses)

    • Is it. The gentlemen of GM have the pressing tools and everything you need so transport away. What happened to it, unclear. So any continuation of the product is impossible, who has a 9-5 NG, which should take good care of it

  • Obs!

    Swedish SAAB Group
    http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab
    works for over 5 years with Mahindra in the armaments area cooperates and would block with the possible entry of Dongfeng with NEWS the naming rights SAAB.

    The fact that the Swedes recently visited the Kokums shipyard with field fighters and ensured the government documents on the submarine construction of Thysen-Krupp at gunpoint shows how the otherwise reserved, but in recent decades often vikings now vikings behavior.
    Kokum has also been bought for the "special price" of SAAB.

    The cooperation Mahindra-SAAB would stand with the common vehicle production on completely different levels like the GM or even NEVS.
    The plant in Trollhätten continues to be under the care of the Wahlenberg companies. The former SAAB Cars developers mostly work for engineering companies with SAAB involvement or even in aircraft construction.

    Mahindra can rely on Swedish help and staff.
    SAAB is and will remain SAAB, with Indians and South Koreans in vehicle manufacturing. Ssangyong has brand-new 1.6 AVL turbo engines in the pipeline - these could even be installed in good advanced SAAB 9-3s from 2015.

    The new Ssangyong CUV could be "SAVED".
    The Phoenix platform will be used for new Ssangyong models.

    gruß

    Älg

    PS
    Future SAAB "Crossover".
    Two Carl Gustavs (1xAT, 1xAP) with automatic loading on the bonnet,
    Radar and subsonic wave absorbing plastic body,
    Active and passive IR and radar controlled retractable 40 mm Bofors with 360 ° / -20 ° .. + 90 ° swivel range in the boot.

    • Hi Alda
      What do you smoke ?
      Joking aside - as you see it would make a giant shoe out of it.
      Only who would tie this shoe over today?

  • If I look at what the Chinese are doing at Volvo (see new XC90, a dream of the interior), I wonder why NEVS does not work out that way! They will find the right partner!

    • That's true, the interior is very much! and they even hired the band "Be the bear" for their commercial, which also included the song for the 9-4x.
      But they have finally adopted the exterior design of Europe.
      And I've been asking myself a long time ago why the Swedes have not dared to take their new homeowners aside for two years and explain to them that the obtrusively platted "Husky Edition" in this country does not make anyone's mouth water.

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