Saab 9000 Anna Project (Part 3)

It is deep winter. Kiel lies under a thick blanket of snow when Anna arrives there. It took two days to transport the 9000 CSE Anniversary to the north. The team around Markus Lafrentz gets down to work and creates a list of necessary things. This will also be a test for Orio. What else can the Swedes deliver for the Saab 9000?

Anna & Winter. Welcome to Kiel
Anna & Winter. Welcome to Kiel

It confirms our list of drawbacks, and a few little things are added. Then the question arises what I really want. There are options - that asks Keel from ... what I like. Making the Saab work well, having fun with it for some time, or tackling it solidly and long term. Or, the third alternative, make a vehicle for a collection out of it. Option 3 is omitted, I decide for the variant of reason. Anna should become a coming young classic for everyday life, not a vehicle that comes on the road only in good weather.

The goal is a state, somewhere between 2 and 3. Nice, but signs of use may and should be, the 9000 is already 17 years old and no new cars anymore. The point that will decide everything is the condition of the window frame.

Rust on the window frame

Rust on the window frame is not a natural event. Cross-brand, it is primarily the result of negligent work. Whether Mercedes, Porsche, Volvo or just Saab. In our case, the fault lies with a known chain. Unfortunately, it is usually the case that their underachievement only becomes noticeable when the car has long since changed hands. This affects owners of classic cars and future classics. A victim: the Anna project. How brutally one worked in the case of our Saabs, shows the fact that a grossmotoriker has cut into the headliner when disc exchange. You can only see that when the old disc is out; stands in this case as a negative example for this provider.

The hope that everything could be half so wild, smashes turbo-fast. The frame is more than just crumbly. Actually, it is a small miracle that the disc holds at all. If the 9000 had stood in the rain unprotected, water would have entered. The rust could have meant the exitus, so dramatically presents the state.

The crisis. Project on the edge ...

You can not weld anything anymore. The frame - or rather its fragments - must go out. There was (I hope Orio reads) once a repair kit for such cases. This has long since become unavailable, a new edition would be desirable, and would save many Saab 900 and 9000 from premature exitus. A reproduction should not be magic and meaningful. But in the case of Anna, good advice is expensive. What to do?

The crisis is here. Scrape Saab because of the rust on the window frame, because welding can not be done anymore? Have a spare part made individually, which will make the campaign even more expensive? Cancellation? Markus Lafrentz calls, I have to decide. Anna as a spare parts carrier, items on Ebay? All because of the damn rust on the window frame? A horror! The project is nearing its end for a few minutes ...

In this case, coincidence is with us - there is an 9000er ready for slaughter, which has a stainless disk frame. The hurdle is taken. The body shop in Kiel welds; a new disc from the original manufacturer, for reasons unknown in Orio's program, will be installed later. The crisis is off the table!

Orio and spare parts for the Saab 9000

Let's talk about Orio and the spare part situation for the Saab 9000. The good news: All needed wear parts are available, inexpensive and in good quality. Parts for suspension and the body, such as doors, fenders, tailgates are also no problem. It is possible to keep 9000 in daily use, to remedy accident damage. Nice way!

Where it starts to falter, there are other parts. Instead of good goods from Hella at Orio, there are headlights only from the third party, with taillights soon too. The rear fascias, also by Hella and almost always torn over the years, have been squandered on the Swedish market like the CD player. Did not you notice in Nyköping that the parts are used in the used condition on Ebay for a multiple?

However, Sweden has given away gold. A reproduction of the rear panels ... of which the fan can currently only dream. That's not realistic. Now, the parts are no longer deliverable, no matter how much money you would like to pay. (I would like to thank my friends in Sweden, who gave me two rear screens and a CD player.)

Other inventories are dangerously low and do not bode well. All against the background that Saab fans worldwide have discovered the 9000 and restorations begin. A look at the Facebook groups on the topic speaks a clear language. In Germany are still some 1.000 of these vehicles in use, the lover value increases. Should not new Saabs come at any time, whose supply takes over Nyköping, then the classics will be an extremely important pillar of the company. Let's hope the alignment will be appropriate in the future.

Back to Anna. Now it goes to the painter. He should paint the window frame, fill the dent in the door and also repaint. He sees, and that is the advantage of winter work, need for action on the spoiler, at the rear, at the driver's door. He offers the extra work for little money, I agree and Anna is on her way to becoming a beautiful Saab.

Okay, the 3. Part was expensive and left a big hole in the blog budget. It is already clear that Anna is on the way, but will cost more money than expected. The shortcomings resulting from 100.000 km free workshop without Saab experience are eliminated. The enormous maintenance backlog is past, all fluids have changed.

For the parts we have always preferred original parts from Orio, also relying on the promised 3 year warranty. The deliveries came quickly and reliably. Only where it was not possible otherwise, we resorted to the third party. In the next part I draw an interim balance and meet Anna in Kiel. And it's about things that happen. Everything will be fine? No, Anna takes everything with her. Really bad surprises for example.

17 thoughts too "Saab 9000 Anna Project (Part 3)"

  • ANA I like this project very much because this project we have "too".
    Only one would have to take care of it because the brown plague gnaws on our ...

    And the bad work on the disk frame has made our company in the disc well when exchanging.

    Just like the boot lid as I love workshops.

    Keep it up with Ana

  • Horrible, the window frame ... Great that the blog pervades the project. Anna becomes a cult

  • Yes, the replacement part situation for 900er and 9000er old and young timers has become frightening. Especially because of (or even?) Auction houses like Ebay. Example of me for my 900er MY91 / 92 for the grille in chrome: On Ebay last year was offered in May for almost 400.- Euro. I bought from a Saab forum participants, inter alia, a black grill, I for about 30.- Euro and just under 2 days mostly handwork, almost as new and let my Spezi in terms of Saab 900 the next visit blocked. Or theme Hella SW or flashbacks. I can sing a song there too. It gets particularly bad if the TÜV-relevant parts are that are no longer produced. Sorry but there I praise other brands that had provided years ago, so even 40 years old models of the brand, still get parts at reasonable prices. They often buy such models from the old owners before they end up in the junkyard and remove the parts that still work and can be processed ... In the case of Saab, that would be urgent and better than expected from any owner of such a vehicle either hope for a donor or (unfortunately) scrap the whole, just because a part (possibly TÜV-relevant) is no longer available ....

    • Other brands have corporations in the background, the possibilities are not comparable with Orio. We must not forget what valley of tears the brand has gone through and under what circumstances Orio was "born".
      As far as the classics and youngtimers are concerned, there are the Swedish clubs beyond Orio, which increasingly produce reproductions under their own direction. Unfortunately currently only for members, the Swedish Saab has 10.000 new and used parts on offer. Maybe this is the future of the classics, maybe German clubs are also in demand?

      • Most of them have a corporation behind them. But what the vintage and youngtimer owners of Saabs would rather "dream" of would be a company like Porsche, for example. There, Porsche is extensively restored, you can order parts that can no longer be obtained in free trade. If necessary, they will be reproduced eg sheet metal parts. If that does exist, former suppliers such as Bosch, Hella, etc. are willing to launch small batches in quantities. That costs a lot of money is clear. But if so, such cars can be rescued from the junk press, are or would the owners willing to spend more money just once, if thereafter (except for the wear parts are anyway to get) times a few years rest. There was also a reportage in a car magazine on TV.

        • Maybe Orio is not that far from these ideas. There was that in Sweden "A Saab for Ida" Project. The idea behind it was that customers give an old Saab to Orio and get back a quasi "new car". The word "restoration" to Saab specification made the rounds. Whether the project is pursued or not is not known.

  • Very good, and good that the various weaknesses of Orio are ruthlessly named. Slices that are still from the manufacturer, but are no longer managed by Orio ... That speaks volumes. The question is whether the "Saab fans" are ready to carry the incurved increased storage and logistics costs, or whether this prefer to cheap worn second-hand goods or China quality sat down (must). Whether the fan community, which is really willing to take money in hand, is large enough to Orio to move to more commitment or the complete rethinking, I dare to doubt at least. Of course it would be nice if the spare parts situation were better. But Saab is an active brand past. That's why we try to create new business areas. But Orio must also be clear that it is partly there in his hand, to preserve the old business. So the input has to come from both sides. Saab drivers must accept that Orio Saab parts are more expensive than comparable ones for other still existing brands. And Orio must finally take more risk and make important parts available again. It does not have to be a roundabout, but a clear signal would be required to dissuade fickle owners (how micht) from a sale. A second problem, however, are the workshops. There are fewer and fewer and the few are overcrowded. In addition, they can no longer reasonably calculate against the background of the parts misery and also against the background of fluctuating quality. In addition, most Saab customers have little money in their pockets. Many go to the workshop only when the online forums no longer help and the car goes on strike. That is also the time when the cars are for sale. Then evisceration is on the program. This trend is currently prevalent. It is hoarded, what the stuff holds. Because nothing grows anymore. So many parts are available, but just locked away. It is a misery that even good service providers like Lafrenz can not solve in the long term. So the way to the exotic is marked out. Unfortunately, with little prospect of long-term satisfactory operation. Because one thing must be clear: Many Saab fans - certainly not all - will hang their "enthusiasm" at the latest then as soon as the maintenance becomes too expensive or expensive, or their vehicle despite repairs no longer has the properties that it once had.

    I still wish Anna and his owner all the best and lots of fun. I'm looking forward to the next part of the story.

  • Hallo,

    I discovered the SAAB pages only recently. I'm driving the 4 now. Saab (9-3 convertible) and have in the friend round more SAAB driver in Aschaffenburg. I'm happy about every post and hope to find lots of useful information!

    • Welcome to the blog and greetings in the Strietwald ... The blog is for the most part "Made by Aschaffenburg"

      • I have the impression that you are from Aschaffenburg. Is there a "MeetingPoint" for SAAB drivers in Aschaffenburg?

        • The impression is true. Unfortunately, there is no Aschaffenburg Meeting Point, which you can change ... if you like

          The Saab Club Rhein Main occasionally organizes meetings near AB.

  • ... on my aero9k the windscreen frame has been blooming for a short time. Hope it is not that bad. The restoration can start at the earliest next year. The Scheinbenwechsel is already a long time back and was at the time a Saab workshop ..., at least he is dry since the last 7 years and aerated when he is not just moved in the rain.

    • Anna was the most extreme case in my 9000 history of the windscreen frame. So it does not have to be that bad. I keep my fingers crossed, keep up to date!

  • So much for the legendary Sweden steel

    Incidentally, my spare parts experience is not dissimilar.

    As with my 9-5 the window lifter broke up, I had with interest just looking for side windows - no indication. Later in the accident damage, there were problems with the headlight actuator and the wiper motor for the headlight cleaning. Since then really had to serve parts from "tertiary sources". But everything still works, and was easy to install. The wiring harness for the power steering was the penultimate available. And last but not least some OEM and third party parts were used.

    All in all annoying, if a repair for lack of replacement parts can not be performed and any system is therefore not available - even if it is just a subordinate thing annoying.

    • Orio will be under pressure to deliver good numbers and try, it seems sometimes, the stocks sell quickly. For reproductions you need then again a minimum quantity .... Had this summer in a beautification action quite a wait for a missing quite new part, even in Sweden not available. Eventually it came, but Orio initially referred only formulaically to the local Saab service. This does not necessarily boost confidence and leads you to think about whether you want to stock parts yourself (the wrong ones after Murphy) or if you do not need another car after all ...
      Back to the article: even if the good end is known every episode is exciting to read and the question how it went on.

      • "If you do not need another car ..."

        You say it - unfortunately. Is somehow also my nightmare, that at some point a vital part quits his service and the SAAB is then "forcibly relegated"

        But where you say it ... right! Tom might not have mentioned the outcome, then this story would be really exciting. On the other hand, we have a) - heard on this blog already enough exciting stories, with less positive outcome and b) - reads the story easier with the well-known exit in mind.

        In this respect - I am curious how things will continue!

  • Great post Tom.

    Coming soon my report from the 9000er of actually only
    Should be second car and now the hero of the heart is.
    9000er driving is cult !!

    Daniel

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