Three years and 47.000 Km with Joe

It has been written the last few weeks much about the future of our cars as a classic car and if it works, so the everyday work. It depends of course on the personal circumstances and demands. Below is a small statement that shows that it can work.

Saab 9000 "Joe"
Saab 9000 "Joe"

In January, Joe - a SAAB 9000 CS 2,0t from 1997 - has been with us for three years. We bought it in January 2013 as part warehouse for our 9000 CSE with 170.000 Km for the price of 950 € for. The condition was more like an agricultural vehicle than a future classic car and it was not the plan to drive it. The plan change occurred on the second day of the cleaning work, as gradually a 9000 in good condition resurrected from the dirt.

So inventory and on to the recycler. There were two 9000ers and I got for small money a large plastic tub full of parts that I wanted to swap. These were mainly switches because of broken instrument lighting, a taillight, relays, rear panel, rear spoiler and various odds and ends.

After I finished my part, he went for three days Car dealership Lafrentz, There, the fuel pump, thermostat, vacuum cleaner and a few other things were exchanged. The intention was to get a safe and reliable car, but not a new car. Thus we were on the 25.01.2013 at 2233 € including the 950 € purchase price. Now drive first and see what happens ....

I'll show you the most important repairs / upgrades of the following three years:

11.11.13, 182300 axle cuffs, cavity and underbody protection 584 €

11.12.13, 183250 battery 68Ah 77 €

16.12.13, 183500 new headlamps (alternative model by Swedish parts) 335 €

27.03.14, 189423 inspection, TüV, front new brake discs and a saddle,
Gasket cylinder head - exhaust manifold replaced 1181 €

21.08.14, 190822 Vacuum and Clutch Hydraulic Hose new 181 €

29.11.14, 196780 CD player, fog lights, sun visors new 210 €

20.01.15, 199801 replaced a cracked handbrake cable, wood fittings installed,
second frog / funke bought and programmed 593 €

21.03.15, 204600 leather interior (BoW) from battle CSE 220 €

30.06.15, 210200 inspection, gear oil change, air conditioning cleaned 330 €

10.11.15, 214731 cylinder head gasket, timing chain, 2 cooling hoses 1143 €

There were five oil and filter changes that I do all 10.000Km myself. They cost just under 50 € with fully synthetic oil. Likewise, other smaller home-based investments were made, which are included in the total. In total, 6410 € flowed into the 9000 in the three years after the purchase. It is noteworthy that the first workshop visit took place after about ten months and 12.000 Km. Until then, we had already made such good "experiences" with Joe that he now got the full pack of corrosion protection.

The spotlight exchange was necessary, as the old mirrors went blind, it was getting darker on the street. The new ones give great light and were inclusive exchange of headlamp leveling in one and a half hours. In general, through Joe I got to know the 9000 only really, because I have worked on many things that I did not previously dare to our CSE. You only realize how well thought-out this model is.

My only criticism is the fog lights, which are really bad to reach. But that is whining at a high level when you see modern cars.

There are of course a few luxury investments here, which would not be necessary for the operation, but you want to have it nice if you are traveling with it daily (BoW leather seats, the original stereo, wood, ...). In recent years, were still good original parts on the market and you could assemble the SAAB to personal wishes, as it is possible with any new car.

The cylinder head gasket began 2015 in the fall, increasingly auszuschwitzen oil. The open engine was in perfect condition and could be reassembled. On this auspicious occasion, the timing chain, which had grown in the nearly 19 years, was also swapped.
How does the "smallest turbo" drive? 150PS and 215Nm / 2500 are not values ​​that knock the SAAB fan off. Surprisingly, however, it provides almost the same data for the acceleration values ​​(according to factory specifications) as the 2,3 LPT with 260Nm. From 0-100 it is one second slower, from 60-100 in 4. Gear he is half a second faster and from 80-120 in 5. Gang are both the same!

He obviously reacts faster and this is noticeable in daily operation. You do not feel underpowered on the road. You certainly do not have to race in that race, but the common company car will be astonished. This is also due to the actually low teaching weight (even weighed) of only 1360 Kg. Also, the 2,0t runs very quietly, even at high speeds. As a result, you sometimes take part in the photo shoot, because you did not notice it again.
Consumption has settled on average at 9,1L / 100, where on long-haul sometimes even a 7 may be in front of the comma, with trailer it can be 10,5.

Now, the comparison with a leased vehicle or the depreciation of a new car is a problem with the running time and the distance 47.000 Km traveled. Joe spent 35 months 7360 €, which is 210 € / month. But you can lease at the current Ramschpreisen certainly a new car. However, that is gone after three years and everything starts from scratch to new conditions.

On the other hand, I do not have the feeling that Joe is getting tired in the near future. He is incredibly fit and I think the worst repairs are through. Completely painless it is not in such an old car, as Tom has described it in Anna too. All suspicious hoses, seals and the like Ä. were exchanged before it came to failures or leakages. Even under extreme conditions (Latvia, Berlin traffic jam at 42 °, o. Ä.) He has always been inconspicuously performed his service.

To show where the numbers might go in the long term, take a look at our 9000 CSE from 98. He is currently in his winter quarters and is 18 years with us in the spring (1 hand). During this time, 14335 € was incurred for service and repairs, which is almost 800 € / year - I can live with that.
Priceless is the feeling of being on the road with an 9000 in everyday life. Uncoupled from the automobile show company you are somehow above the things and looking forward to every ride.

Thanks to Gerd for his Saab story! Do you also have something to tell about Saab?

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8 thoughts on "Three years and 47.000 Km with Joe"

  • So it's probably a lot of 9000 drivers like that. Me too. The 9000 CSE 2.0 is now in winter quarters (the snow does not seem to be coming) and I'm looking forward to the spring. It's unbelievable, he co-ordinates here with a 9-5 SC Aero My 2009 and a 9-3 Cabrio Hirsch / Aero 2005 and yet, as often described here, on long-hauls just great.
    In this sense, all here a peaceful and Saabiges Christmas.

  • And I thought that's just me :)
    I am releasing 2000-3000.- a year for repairs on my 9000 Griffin V6 3.0

  • Hello Gerd! Great story. I also bought an 1 MY9000 before 95 month and drive the silk every day. I drove almost 2000km until today and without significant problems. I just love this car.
    Greetings Matthias

  • Dear Gerd, a great story about your "daily driver" and the good decision to prolong "Joe's" life. Because of costs, I recently recalculated the operating costs (maintenance, repairs) and depreciation for all my Saab's since 2002 and found that with 2 vehicles (9-5l 2.3 Aero Kombi, 9-3X 2.0T XWD) which I took over as a new car, over 8 respectively. 5 years a cost ratio of 20% for maintenance / repairs and 80% for depreciation arose. In contrast, my 2 older SAABs, a 900l 2.0 Turbo Cabrio year 89 and a 9000 CS 2.3 LPT 98, both with mileage under 100 km with very good substance, are in a completely different light. The depreciation is a “0” and from that point of view I can invest in the maintenance and value of these vehicles with a clear conscience. The 9000er is outstanding, because additional investments for "upgrades" are worthwhile :-).
    By the way, the 9000er is the absolute long-distance favorite for me :-)!

  • Hello Gerd
    I love my three 9000ers, too, but it's hardly possible to calculate well.
    It has always been a bit more expensive to have a special taste
    How many miles are there in total now?


    • Hello Jürgen,
      Joe now has just about 218.000 and the CSE about 198.000 Km.
      I really do not want to calculate anything here, these are the real numbers, how they came about and which I find personally acceptable, or literally worth the price.
      Superficially, a 9000 CSE was already expensive at that time, but a comparably equipped vehicle made of D has always topped the price. Due to the excellent longevity of the 9000er the price is relativized again. But nobody cares anymore today, who drives his car 18 years and more? Only we are so crazy ... ;-).
      There are still cheap specimens that can be kept on the road with manageable effort and in which one has his daily pleasure. I'm looking forward to the report by Thomas Zecher. Of course these are not collector's items, but it does not help our workshops if there are no more SAABs on the street.
      Merry Christmas and all the best for 2016,

  • Hello Gerd,
    I'm currently writing my article about our 9000, and amazingly, it's very similar - it must be because of the car! And it really is this unique feeling that you can have so much fun with a (mine) 800 euro car - especially when you drive behind an 80.000 euro car that does not get from A to B much better.

  • Beautiful! There are Saab riders who love 9000 .. I love Saab I love the 9000.

    Great story I hope the vehicle lives for many years

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