Saab 9 3. Invest or consume?

The Saab 9-3 II is the faithful workhorse of the scene. He enjoys, you look from the convertibles and the Turbo X, (still) no cult status. The station wagons and limousines are the most modern solution, if you want to move a Saab in everyday life. The youngest specimens are now 7 years old, the big model care is already 10 years back. The question is: invest or consume?

Saab 9 3. Invest or consume?
Saab 9 3. Invest or consume?

The question is concrete, because at our 9-3 SC with its 7 years and almost 100.000 kilometers something has accumulated. Need for action exists, although the Saab checkbook is maintained. The last major inspection took place this spring Bamberg In addition, the 9-3 also got all-around new brakes from the Orio Regal, promoted quite a few construction sites to light.

Starting with the seat heating, which did not work anymore, the air conditioning with small weaknesses, to the wishbones with the side rails. And then there's the rust. Slight beginnings of this on the subsoil, although the 9-3 had received an additional treatment in the year 2011 immediately after its delivery.

7 years, that's a magic number. Saab first owner then separated from their vehicles, says Ralf Muckelbauer. The first shortcomings occurred, time for a new car. If I did too, someone could deliver me a Saab model 2019.

Invest or consume?

Wishbone with side members are TÜV relevant. Seat heating and climate are comfort. The rust? These are visible approaches, but they do not call for immediate action. You can drive on, use the car - and that for several years. At some point, the rust is a threat, then either a welder helps, a lot of money, or the TÜV divorces. As a big unknown remains the condition under the wheel arches. Does the 9-3 SC rust there, too? I know specimens before and after the facelift, which are rusted from the inside out.

If you add up the costs, then everything adds up to an 4-digit amount. And in principle I have three options now. The consumption version: Only let the wishbone, the TÜV in the autumn waves the Saab then. The comfort variant would be in addition to invest in heated seats and climate, or in sustainability mania also to have the rust approaches eliminated.

The 5-years carefree package

Oh yes, there is also version number 4. Buy a new car. One with 5 or even 7 years warranty. A carefree promise for half a decade or more, which I can exchange for the next carefree after expiration. Tempting, except for a tiny hook. It would not be Saab anymore.

Basically, I am unwilling to invest in the spring. I consoled Ralf Muckelbauer with the hint that I have to think now. I remain unusually indecisive for the next few weeks. Mark, who drives much more miles than me a year, has long since switched to the other Swedish brand. He lives well with that, Saab remains for him free time and hobby. Somehow the desire for something new, uncomplicated lives in me. Saab driving has not become easier in recent years. On appointments in the workshops you wait longer and longer, the spare parts supply mutates again and again to the challenge. Sure, everything has gone well so far. But do I need that?

The discussion extends over weeks. In the family and with friends. The opinion remains always confusing. One pleads for a new car, the other suddenly falls in love with the ice blue headlights of the 9-3. All this does not help. Of course, my behavior is utterly illogical. I invest time, material and money in my 9000 fleet. Everything is done to keep the classics on the road. But in a relatively new car, the willingness decreases.

The word from the poison cabinet

On the other hand, this is precisely the poison that has spread the car industry for years. Cars are only consumer goods. As well as smartphones, computers, textiles. They should be consumed over a defined period of time, please speedily. Cars are only transport solutions, not more, which are exchanged for the next solution after a short period of use. In the best case, the old product ends up in export, and new cars roll over the streets. An apparent infinite loop that runs faster and faster.

The word sustainability stays hidden deep in the poison cupboard, and nobody dares to put it in your mouth. Sustainability, longer service life, that would be less consumption, less production, less profit. No board, no politician who has even a sense of survival dare to tackle this issue. It would question too much. Growth and quarterly figures remain (still) the standard of our society. Presumably, we need more than a dozen hot, dry, super summers, so the courage to rethink grows.

Long service life for the environment

The blog writes about life with the cars of a brand that no longer exists. Without any socio-political claim, it never existed here. Nevertheless, and the longer I think about my problem, the sustainability comes to the fore. The Saab still drives well and comfortably, he could do that for many more years. The largest CO2 emission was, as with any car, during its production. The longest useful life for our planet is better than permanently consuming it again.

The decision is made, it is invested. Not only the TÜV relevant things are done, the comfort and sustainability chapter is served. The 9-3 comes to Bamberg, where it stays for a few days. The topic of rust is of interest, Ralf Muckelbauer drives the full program. What he and his coworkers found, and whether the 9-3 precaution is advised, I write in the next few days on the blog.

48 thoughts too "Saab 9 3. Invest or consume?"

  • Our 9-SC is 11 years old, has just 75TKm on the clock. Of course, over time will be due to work, and the associated costs. But for me, there is no alternative on the market. I'm sick of constantly having to buy things again, though you could fix them.

    • My 9-5 SC is the same age, but has a world tour (about 40 Tkm) more down ...

      And I feel the same way. I'm sick of the high frequency throwing away. But what of! Nice, if you have any choice *. At SAAB you have a choice.

      Mine (2.0t hacked) this year, as well as Tom's 9-3, needed an extensive service on the flagging A / C system, a new primer and a new clutch. The latter was upgraded on the occasion (Aero 2.3T) and changed incl. Flywheel. In sum, not very cheap ...

      But purrs, couples and cools but again like a comparable new car, which would cost the 20-fold. The larger clutch disc now probably holds 200.000 Km ...

      The work I did not even under "repair" book. Rather under service and wearing parts. In this point, the company has probably changed a lot? As soon as an oil change is pending, a new car must be produced. And if the batteries of the remote control are empty, a new TV ...

      Speaking of choice, we recently got a new tumble dryer, which unfortunately made zits. Probably just a minor software problem. The device was still replaced and told us that the other (brand new!!) Now land on the scrap.
      That is genuine environmental protection! That's sustainability 4.0. The political framework is not right. The consumer and disposable societies are deliberately promoted ...

      • Herbert Hürsch, actually I had planned at the current time a comment (desire for consumption ?, Sustainability, inexpensiveness of sustainable preservation of our Saab), after I had read in today's lunch break Tom's contribution, but could not comfortably comment.

        Your tumble dryer could be extended by my side (as probably yours) by countless other examples in the last decade ...

        Your tenor is mine ("service"), without further words, thank you!

        • MORE SERVICE! ! !

  • If possible, let everything be done. If he then goes on carelessly for another 7 years and 'amortize' the repairs over this time, you drive a great car, so to speak, to the savings rate.

  • Good article. Speak to me with my 8 / 07ner 9-5 Aero with 90Tkm from the heart. But a passage in the report makes me sit up and take notice. "... you want something new, uncomplicated." Uncomplicated? For real? I always think about that when I drive a rental car abroad. Such a "Patormundungsmobil" with all harassment. It blinks and beeps annoyingly and constantly in the sustained chord on the highway, and when parking, the all-around parking assistant already switches to panic mode with loose 20cm air before the enemy contact. No thanks! My gorgeous Saabine has to serve for years.

  • Before I buy a chubby diesel for tens of thousands of euros, I prefer to invest in a future classic car with lots of driving fun !!!

  • I'll go to Ralf and see the SC. Would also like to buy a well-preserved,
    but my sweetheart is not pulling. That's why my 9-3 II Cab is maintained and maintained (by Ralf). until he, (or me). can not do anymore.
    I'm really excited about the cart. I could cruise for hours until the tank is empty. Petrol price? So what!

    • Ralf is looking forward to your visit. But the 9-3 SC is not there anymore!

      • And what did they find in rust?

  • Very nice article. I came up with the same ideas with my 9-3 2007 station wagon. However, he already has 325.000 km under his belt. I have also decided to invest.
    Due to our move from the city to the countryside, we need a second car. Of course you think about a new one, but it's hard after so many years to get involved in something else.

  • Nice article.
    And just the 9-3 SC I think well worth preserving !!!! 😉

    I think "Nahhaltigkeit" - with many things - meanwhile quite important.
    I try to use this when buying products where possible.

    So also with the purchase of my current Saabs 2014.
    I have (hopefully!) Planned with at least 10-12 years of use. Happy also longer !!!!

    Currently he annoys me with some stupid and annoying little repairs and "quirks".
    But I think, "cultivate" is more environmentally friendly than constantly "buy new"! 😉

    When I think about how many "old" iPads and iPhones I have lying around here now (but at least still as a landline phone, TV, music library or remote control, etc. nachgenze) .... and only because it gives me my "mobile" contract so .... "Environmentally friendly" is so def. Not. 🙁

  • Beautiful and extensively written. Do you really have a lot of rust on your cab? My cab is from the end of 2005 and only had the problem under the seal of the convertible top. I fixed before 3,5 years and topp everything again. In July, I had my car on stage with built-wheel cabinets and here everything as new. I'm looking forward to the other reports.

    Regards Ralf

    • No, not the convertible. They were built at Magna, where they put more emphasis on rust prevention than in Sweden. The article, and my comment on rusting, refers to sedan and station wagon. When convertible, the top cover, as described by you, the most famous problem.

      • I'm looking forward to the sequel ...

        I hope there is a lot to say about the limos and the SC. If not, then it is still good for their owners to know where the weak points are, what to consider and observe.

        As the owner of a 48-year-old Swede (friends are even older existing) I am in the meantime quite relaxed in terms of rust. But you have to keep an eye on it all the time. Without doubt ...
        Also, body work on younger cars are probably more difficult?

  • Everything that came to the streets after the 9000 can only be preserved in museums and collections up to the H license plate. The materials used from the mid / late 1990s are not designed to last for a variety of reasons. This affects all manufacturers. Just one example: the ban on PVC composts the harnesses after 10-20 years by itself. Have fun laying 3 or more kilometers of cable harnesses. Therefore: use as long as possible. Find the most necessary service and then the next best-preserved GM Saab and drive until major repairs stop the car.

    • That is true and yet it is not true ...

      1. Did I build a wiring harness for the engine compartment of another Sweden (EZ 1984), because the insulation crumbled after about 15 years and it came to short circuits.

      Yes, right, the PVC ban had consequences, led to some manufacturers to an aging, which one did not know so far. On the other hand, cables are not rocket science and do not make a car a disposable product.

      2. Was the 9000 already affected by the PVC ban.

      3. Are there cables and cables. And there are and were also those that are durable without PVC ...

      I see in the cables (better: in their isolation) rather a limited problem, which some model years of some manufacturers has met. Other less. Otherwise one would have to line up the 9000 already with the problem cars.

      Both at the same time (reprimanding the PVC ban as the cause of unsustainable cars and paying homage to the long-term qualities of [PVC-free] SAAB 9000) makes no conclusive comment.

      • The PVC theme was intended as a generic, cross-vendor example and not specific to the 9000. Everyone can compare the quality and durability of both models (9000 & 9-5). There are hundreds of individual positions that can be at the GM -Sab a invest beyond the basic expectancy to become a total economic loss. Unfortunately. The more the cars are moved in everyday life, the faster this point is reached. If you still want to spend your money on it, you can do it. Not every commitment to Saab has to be meaningful from a financial perspective. But then we would be in the lover area. And I commented on the entry post from a finacial point of view.

        • "(...) search for and drive the next GM-Saab as well as possible (...)"

          The question remains, which SAAB should that be, if you stamp every SAB from 10 years to the disposable product? The clock is ticking ...

          As I said, I find the comment inconclusive. Nevertheless, I have some understanding of the delayed explanation. Yes, it is true that you could possibly move another car cheaper. But which car would that be? A Dacia?

          For the vast majority of comparably comparable new cars is true that you could drive alone from the loss of value of the first year SAAB several years ...

          I certainly do not belong to the group of SAAB drivers who claim that it is the cheapest way of getting around to drive a SAAB. However, the article ("incoming mail") has not stated that, and so there is no point in this point.

          Yes, driving SAAB is a bit of a hobby. Nevertheless, maintaining one's own SAAB is also a bit far-reaching sustainability. And yes, it can actually count ...

  • Hello Tom
    The question of whether I would invest in your car is answered quickly (at least for me). Naturally!!!! The small aches and pains can be fixed manageable, and the mileage is the least problem. Years ago I had an 9-5 Aero with 379.000km on the clock. 1. Automatic transmission, 1. Turbo, 1. Engine. Why should an 9-3 not be able to do this? I'll keep loyalty to Saab until there's no rollable Saab left. You can not drive a car in a more economical, sustainable and environmentally friendly way.
    Keep having fun with your Saabs

  • I can understand these thoughts very well ...
    We are currently moving four of the Old Swedes in everyday life and the problems and aches and pains do not stay out despite good maintenance and care by the company Kaiser in Fischbach ...
    Especially with my wife's 2009er Aero SC 1.9 TTID, we have now swapped almost everything that can break this model (hopefully) ...
    But - economics or not - it's just great cars with character that grow over the years a heart and you do not like to give back ...
    Also, the real alternatives are few and far between ... So continue to invest unreasonably a lot of money in the maintenance and operation of our SAABs and look forward each day to really fine cars!
    Keep on SAABin '

    • I also invest in my 2002 9-3 sedan and the Turbo X, small rust spots are immediately eliminated, and I will continue to invest, it's worth it and when I look at them they are timelessly beautiful. Two weeks ago, my neighbor drove the Turbo X, had repeatedly asked if it was possible, he would be so nice, his form, etc. he is actually a frequent speaker, AUDI driver, but in this hour of the exit (or better flight) in the sun-drenched Taunus, he remained silent, with enthusiasm, his facial expression was completely relaxed and the smile remained in his face until today.

  • Very interesting written. Have with my wife from time to time the discussion new cars or the 9.3 Vector of 2004 received. So far and I hope it stays that way, I have always prevailed. I'd rather invest a manageable amount every year than spend tens of thousands of euros on a new car. I would not know which brand other than Volvo. Although my 9.3 has 200 T Km away, there have never been major problems. I drive and get it as long as possible. It's a Saab and it's a shame to land in any press or in faraway Africa. Was last week on the Darß on the Baltic Sea. In 7 days I met 9 Saabs. All drivers have greeted. Where else is there such a thing?
    I also have my convertible from 2000. That applies to the same extent.

  • I think everyone Saab has the right to get. What's gone is gone and will not come back. Especially with a brand that was already sparsely populated in Germany and differentiates itself from the standard porridge. If you have to invest 7 or 2Euro after 3000 years, it's only a fraction of the cost of a soulless new car from another brand.

  • Hello, thanks for this very interesting article! I can only agree wholeheartedly: Investing and driving on - because of sustainability, but of course also out of conviction and love for good taste and style, for thoughtful, in the best sense simple and simple design, self-explanatory and functional, too reliable and - too today after so many years - still advanced technology. Reinsetzen, feel good, go, enjoy - that's Saab for me! Pure driving pleasure and timeless beauty. It has always been and still is - and in recent years (regrettably) more and more - a Saab is something very special! It's about keeping so many of those wonderful cars and keeping them on the streets.

    My question about the rust: Are the 9-3 III Griffin convertibles so far synonymous problematic? I am very fortunate to have bought one after a long search in the spring (Y. 04 / 2011, EZ 09 / 12 - no idea where it had to stand so long in his first "year of life"). I am - as you can see from the above lines easily 🙂 - almost in love with my new gem! The Griffins are from the post-GM era and again built in Sweden, which I thought was an advantage. Or did Magna build better quality? For the Griffin Convertible, I had separated from my previous Magna-built 9-3 II Convertible (MY 07, before the outer facelift, but already new from the inside with double DIN Navi, 300 Watts, etc.), which I at the time ordered as a new car. After 11 years and 110tkm it looked like new and had no rust at all!

    I had the Griffin on stage after buying it from Lafrentz. Diagnosis: He must have been outside longer at the beginning, the exhaust system has set rust. I then had a cavity and underbody protection treatment done there. The exhaust must certainly be renewed in the long term. In addition, what else can, and must, do for precautionary purposes? Which positions should be critically eyed? I always wonder what is meant by anti-rust treatments - the above-mentioned cavity and underbody protection treatment? Unfortunately, although I am an enthusiastic Saab lover, but completely unaware of such questions. In addition, I have never driven my earlier convertibles so long, but then bought me a new - which unfortunately no longer works. The Griffin is therefore driven so long now, until he or I give up the ghost - which may hopefully be far off!

    • Questions about questions ... 😉 Cabrios are in principle less susceptible to rust. Two possible reasons: You are more cared for and less moved. Or: Magna has delivered the better quality. The 9-3 wagon described in the article is rolled off the line 12 / 2010, so a very late vehicle. He was moved as an everyday vehicle, and outside the additional Rostkur 2011 no longer additionally treated. It rusts on the underbody after 7 years, which many vehicles do at that age. To the wheel arches, and the rust cure, we come in detail in the following article.
      I think if you keep an eye on the subsoil, and Lafrentz has already done something, then everything is fine. Because, and you have to say that clearly, Saab has not delivered a bad quality.

  • So my "fleet" ages between 10 and 20 years. Rust is a problem in some of the older 9-5. Last year, the wheel arch was made on the left rear and next year is sure the spare wheel well turn to get back to TÜV. But I also have two gasoline intake manifold injection, which produce virtually no soot. CO2 maybe a "little" more, because they are the most popular among the SAABists 3.0l 6 cylinders. After all, the maintenance investments m are worthwhile. E. Whenever you drive a lot and do not want to constantly get a new "planer". Mileage over 200Tkm can not scare me anymore. After all, they are vehicles and not "tools".

    In my diesel convertible I thought at the beginning of this unspeakable diesel discussion also briefly on sale. However, the prices offered prompted me quickly to refrain from my sales ideas. The vehicle is predominantly used as a "long-range hunter". Cities that already have a driving ban or want to introduce one soon, I just leave left. Again, you notice the whole absurdity of the current pollutant discussion. In a real consumption of 5,9l / 100km (EUR 4) I naturally produce namely very little CO2 but more soot particles than the latest 6d temp diesel unless the manufacturer as not again have "cheated". If you could ban breathing by regulation, this whole technical exhaust system upgrade would be obsolete. Maybe that's an approach that should be considered

  • Definitely invest. Have a 9-3 Aero Convertible from 2005 with up to now 460800 km, engine without problems. What is broken now is the differential. Have an 6 gear shift transmission. Who can give me a tip either for a transmission or the repair. Thanks in advance to all readers

    • Hi Michael!
      I know a Saab Spezi near Bremen. He can possibly help you. Hope this is not too far from you.
      Google look for the phone number of Claas Klreemann
      Greeting Björn

  • At the moment I'm moving 5 Saab 9-3 I and II. Of course I do not eat that many miles with everybody, they are relatively modest with 110000 until 140000km. Years of construction are from 1998 to 2005. But it costs me a lot of time and money to keep the 9-3er alive. In spring 2019 I have to decide for three of the five, the financial burden is just too big for me. (there is still a nice 95 NG and a 96er 1980 in my fleet)
    I will never quite part with one of the 9-3er, the yellow convertible year 6 / 1998 and the blue Aero Coupe with Viggenbody I will keep safe.

    Yes, it requires a lot of enthusiasm and financial effort to keep the Saab flag high. Is it worth? I hardly think the 9-3 II / III will never reach cult status.
    Tom once wrote; You can not save every Saab. Two or three will surely survive with me.

    Always good trip to all.

    • I do not cross my fingers (currently 7 to 5) on this comment ...

      Here, an owner of five (!) 9-3 and other SAABs (!) Writes that personally he can not save them all and keep them permanently. Yes, who of us could do that?

      Here an enthusiast writes that two or three SAABs (or does he mean two or three 9-3?) Will surely survive with him. He wishes us all an enjoyable ride.

      Who are the 5 readers who have something to complain about?
      And what exactly is being suspended?

      The thumbs down I can not understand. A comment / answer might help my understanding on the jumps? Maybe …

      A commentary and negative Voting I think but not ansatzweise comprehensible. It remains completely incomprehensible to me and also seems lazy and cowardly!

      In my opinion, every SAAB driver who wants to receive one or more SAABs earns only thumbs on a SAAB blog. In this case, at least 12 to 0. No matter if you share the opinion about the potential "cult status" of "9-3 II / III" or not ...

      And if not, then please say so. As it is, one might think that Hans S. had "his" thumbs down for naming a number of SAABs as his property and planning to keep some of them permanently. And that would be by far the stupidest thumbs ever on this blog ...

      • Hello Herbert, I am only now reading your answer to my post. Thank you for your commitment. Of course, it's quick with a thumb down, that's just the way it is today. Some will think, I am a rich showman. Far from what I say there, I would not hold up the Saab and Lancia flag. With these cars, you are far from being a braggart or a proletarian. Saab / Lancia embody individualism in pure culture.
        Today's value of my vehicles, well, I could just buy such a new iguana or pelican or whatever this car means for it! Do I want that? Absolutely no.
        Good time and good journey
        Hans S.

  • For a few thousand you have paid a maximum of one year lease and you do not own anything yet. Clearly invest, especially rust and the "security", climate and seat heating could. Also wait a good month 🙂

  • Good evening Tom,
    drive a 9.3 III TTiD with deer package (200 PS) from 12 / 2007 (an ex SAAB company car out of bankruptcy) with current 416.000 km.
    Major investments were an automatic transmission at 385.000 km, two alternators, a starter and the usual
    Renewal of Domlagern and coupling rods, but which may be owed part of the deer / Bilsteinfahrwerk with special rims.
    Rust does not know this SAAB until today.
    He is still purring like a bee and I'm happy every day to be allowed to drive in the car again.
    One of these newfangled paternal and persevering boxes with built-in distraction office will never be an issue for me.
    That's why last year I bought another 9.3 NEVS new car with 500 km and this spring I imported another 9.3 NEVS from Sweden with 39.000 km.
    These models show noticeable improvements over the previously built 9.3 III in terms of engine, suspension, steering, seats and noise comfort.
    Both NEVS were "hijacked" immediately and underwent a comprehensive underbody treatment with ice blasts,
    Preservation and cavity sealing.
    Vehicle # 1 is now driving my daughter (after a grateful 900 II, which runs smoothly with 280.000 km in relatives) and I have the 2. Copyspace in the corner - for later.
    I only hope for a long and sufficient basic supply by Orio!
    Then my friend would have on their 9.3 III TTiD convertible with inzwschen 210.000 km continue to enjoy.
    And one more comment at the end:
    I had between 1982 and 1992 an 900 Turbo and three 900 Turbo 16 S with Heuschmid refinements.
    At that time brilliant Renner against which a BMW had no chance.
    But repairs at that time were more common on the engine and especially the transmission / clutch unit than nowadays.
    Our vehicles are of the basic substance (with good care) classic cross-country skiers and it would be a waste in my opinion, this good substance is not sufficient to obtain.
    Once SAAB - always SAAB!
    Have a nice evening and best regards to the community.
    Peter Witzel.

    • Even my old-timer has hardly any more down. Of course, I do not know that exactly, but if the odometer is correct, then the half million is not quite cracked ...

      What a statement, what a commitment. I wish you a good trip at all times. In any case, for the next 416.000 Km. Great!

    • The anecdote about the 901 does not surprise me. The gearbox in the 901 has always been relatively weak, even for the series output. If then a so-called Tuningspezialist hand puts on premature wear is actually inevitable. It is not for nothing that the design of the deer software is usually quite conservative with regard to the gearbox load. This is not wrong, especially if you give a guarantee on your product.

    • Hi Peter! The "NEVS" 9-3 has the best suspension that the 9-3 II - III has ever had. Well-known Saab components have been recomposed and tuned, the result is really good. It is a pity that there was no new edition of the station wagon for the MY 2015. It was planned but never became reality due to known reasons. Have fun with the Sääben!

  • With a 03-2011 built and 04-2012 TTiD SC erstzugelassenen I ketzt 150.000 km and have never had a car, which until then had so little repairs except for brake discs and pads, now the timing belt umd two mechanical "Außeneinwirkunfen" nothing!
    After rust (quite salty winter had) I have not searched. So for me that means continue to use (vehicle, no Stehzeug) and received. Only the probably diminishing speed of the spare part supply and the possibility that I would park from 1.9.2019 in the neighboring place, let me consider an additional (non-Saab) consumption vehicle to purchase.

  • We were this year also face the problem that our SAAB 9-5 2000 screamed out for attention, clean Klma, new springs and dampers Rear, strainer, cooler and even a couple other things, a total of about 3.500 €. But we also considered to keep him, because he still has a low mileage and thus the repair is still worthwhile in the long term, he has so only run 387.000 km, from 800.00 I would also do so my thoughts on major repairs

  • I thought the 9-3 Combi was sold?
    We maintain our two 9-3s and want to keep them, which interests us otherwise little, in Austria you do not even have to expect diesel driving bans, so you do not even have to worry about that. The 9-3II / 9-3III is just a perfect everyday car, and something special, because Saab and everything around it, and he has everything you need. The inventions of the auto industry, which has been so popular in the last few years, you almost do not need. So things like rear-view camera could even be retrofitted thanks to the Saabexperten yes.
    Recently drove a car with Virtual Cockpit and find it just distracting and disturbing. Was glad to see analogue instruments with nightpanel again.
    So I say, as long as it's possible to invest, take good care, drive ahead, not only saves fuel, but spares the Saab and you enjoy even longer.

  • In some old booklet of Saab stood once.

    Service is not for what you have driven but for what you still want to drive.

    Or something like that.

    So you should set goals where I want to go with the Saab. 300 Tkm, H-mark, or other.
    This is undoubtedly associated with costs and the question is then either regularly put something in the service or take the risk at some point without previous service to repair much and expensive.

  • As long as I can afford it, I will keep and maintain my Saabs both for the sake of the environment and the tradition, but above all my personal permanent grin when I drive them. My 901 Coupé, 902 Convertible and two 9000er are together 98 years old and have 870.000 km on the clocks. I hope to double ...... At least. A greeting to the community.

  • Recently I was the only non-VW employee at a birthday party in WOB.
    After all had described extensively, what did not work on their new (!) Models, I stated succinctly that in my 9 and 11 years old Saabs actually everything works.
    I've rarely seen such terrified faces 🙂
    Ok, then I postponed that of course from time to time one or the other repair is required, but everything within reasonable limits.
    Apart from this unspeakable diesel story, these are certainly chic cars, but at what price ...?!
    I'm not just talking about the purchase price (VW has not been a vehicle for the people for a long time ...), but as mentioned above, the ecological footprint in production starts.
    Our Saabs are individual, comfortable and potent vehicles whose maintenance costs us significantly less than a new purchase.
    That's why we're avoiding backlogs and have had the convertible (MJ 06) treated with Mike Sanders some time ago.
    Last fall, we were looking for a winter car to spare the convertible, and stumbled across an 9-3 limo, MJ 11 at an attractive price. Of course you can not ignore that :-). Since the previous owner has slipped something, we have to invest a little here, but also here everything in the context and then this is always a fancier 'winter car' as a corresponding Golf / Astra / etc ...
    So we will continue to drive, care for and maintain our sows as long as possible.

    Greetings to the community

    PS: By the way, the Saab virus is contagious. Our daughter (21) is recently on the way to an initial wrong track (Skoda Fabia) with a 9-3, 1,8t MJ 08 on the way, with deer 🙂

  • Dear Tom,
    Once again, you have summarized the emotional world of the inwardly torn Saab driver. I have both a deceived 9-3 II 1.8t convertible (MY 2005) and a 9-3 SC 2.0 T (MY2009) and in excellent condition (both around the 45T km). I want to keep you on the road as long as possible. My wife drives a car with the green shamrock, which does not work quite as well here as for example the start-stop automatic would need a whole article. So I am more than happy to sit in my two analog vehicles without cruising annoying peeping and patronizing through the countryside.
    Lg from Vienna,

  • I always read something about the ecological footprint and a certain sustainability when driving / moving on a Saab. Subliminal sounds sometimes synonymous with a certain "superiority sound". I do not want to play the spoilsport but it seems to me more like this is something similar to the Zweckoptimismus ... If Saab would build cars, ecology and sustainability but many would not care ... a new Saab would have to be already 😉

    • A comment with veracity ...

      The overwhelming and persistent grief for the brand (the desire for new cars) is in contradiction to the prevailing praise of sustainability and the eternal preservation of used as long as possible.

      • Maybe this contradiction is only an apparent one?

      • Perhaps too many SAABs have been driven too long to make the mark worthwhile?

      • Perhaps sustainable thinking has stood in the way of economic success?

      At least it would dissolve the contradiction. There are still 900er and 9000er in the first hand. I had some interesting conversations with some of their owners. Not without ulterior motive, but completely without chance ...

      The man named Ove lives, is distributed globally and has many faces and names. Sustainability is already part of the SAAB DNA. It seems a bit cheap today, but it seems to me much older than the bankruptcy.

  • After running my beautiful 9000 aero with 500T km and the 900 - he convertible 1997 300 T km with LPG gas retrofit (in Switzerland 99 cents per liter instead of CHF 1.50 to CHF 2.-) with "multiple organ failure blowing heart and soul disposed of with watering eyes or given away as a replacement carrier, it regrets me until today that I did not restore one or both for unreasonable money. My 9-5 wagon, now in its twentieth year, and the 18-9 Convertible (3Years) with 15 T km acquired in January '170 in a snowstorm and minus six degrees (including frozen permanent smile, which has remained so far) will certainly take so long how Matthias Krauer, Bauma, CH keeps them running safely.
    Whether I drive a brand new Ford, a current VW model, a Renault, etc or an exciting Cadillac from family and friends; With my SAAB's I'm just safe and secure at home. really DAHOIM
    Every investment has always been worthwhile in terms of economy, correct environmental protection and, above all, emotions (there is no boredom in the SAAB)

  • We have an amazing 2011 9-3X SC with about 100,000 miles (161,000km) .... So far, new brake pads, front wheel bearings, and headlights, are the only things we've had to replace (and tires). Drives like it was new ... .. looks terrific. In the USA, a seven year old car with that mileage is considered "old." But the car does not seem like an antique. Its style still looks better than almost anything else on the road, although I do not like the Porsche Cayenne. 30,000km per year until it becomes unreliable to take on long trips. And then? I do not know. It seems to me that this wonderful automobile will call on Martha's Vineyard at "island car" or a "beach car ', which are typically old beat-up cars that do not want to use their' good car. "

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