The diesel death

"The sales figures of diesel models have been rising for months for the first time again" - So or something similar, the news was read last week in any newspaper. The diesel scandal. Already almost four years old, was almost forgotten until last week. And that despite the fact that, as a native of Hamburg, I had the first traffic prohibition zone of the republic virtually on my doorstep. But for free.

No matter where you look
Diesel - No matter where you look

At that time, when the scandal became public and environmental bonuses sprang up, I already had a hunch that this would not leave the Swedish brand without a trace. Although a turbo petrol engine has its merits, many 9-5 and 9-3 models also had a diesel engine under the hood. At that time I feared that many of them would disappear from the market, exchanged for a few thousand premium euros, and then be replaced by a new make from VW, BMW or Mercedes.

The premiums went so, according to VW more car makers were unmasked and the story took its course. Auto recyclers were overrun to get the allegedly so environmentally friendly scrapping evidence.

Suddenly, press and TV teams became interested in the nation's junkyards, which no longer knew where to go with all the diesel models. A coincidence so that on my doorstep the largest junkyard in Germany, maybe even (North) Europe lies. For years I have not paid him a visit. Why was that?

Despite its size, it was rarely found, SAAB models have been sought in vain over the last few years, and if so, they were quickly slaughtered. Getting good parts meant searching for the needle in a haystack. But back to the beginning. The increased sales let me brooding on a ride in the 9000.

Visit to Germany's largest junkyard

Whether my fears were confirmed, I had never checked. In the hope of being wrong. But I was looking for the final confirmation, wanted to convince myself, if I - as always - no SAABs would meet, if I would pay the place after years again a visit.

So on the way home a departure earlier taken, with the 9000 in the direction of Norderstedt, just outside Hamburg. Shortly before closing time the 9000 is parked near a Volvo 850. In addition to old Opel, and VW Lupos with oversized tailpipes I do not want to turn off the 9000, so park next to the Swedish neighbors.

Run quickly across the square, past countless rows of Audi, Mercedes, BMW and VW. The German brands dominate clearly. Already noticeable: the vehicles look very young. The road to the Swedish corner is lined with rows of cars from Wolfsburg. Various Caddy, Touran and Golf models. Even though I give the brand from Wolfsburg as little attention as possible, it is enough to say that most models are not 10 years old. Residues from the adhesive of the engine designations indicate: 100% Diesel.

In the far corner you will find yourself. The corner of the exotics. Volvo and SAAB mixed. Together with Rover they have found their own place. And what I see there makes me more than amazed. I am completely unfamiliar with a picture. And my fear has come true. You can count various SAABs, at least 15-20 pieces. As much as in the last 10 years together, neatly lined up.

Diesel dies - no matter where you look

And here too: almost 100% diesel. Diverse 2.2 TID Diesel 9-5, whether sedan or station wagon, the same with the first 9-3 model. They are becoming increasingly rare in the streetscape, here I suddenly see 5-6 models. A silver SE creates short-term variety. Also a 9-3 with full equipment has landed here. When trying to expand the SID split the rare Carbon Dashboard. An 3.0 TID or a chrome glasses. Feeling all colors and shapes are to be found. Almost all vehicles can still attest a good condition.

The leather upholstery is hardly chosen, carbon or wood dashboards were installed or destroyed when trying to remove them. The electronic speedometer prevent - to my regret - a view of the mileage. I would have liked to know how many kilometers the Swedish makes were moved.

I saw more than enough after a few minutes, and I start thinking again. Not only have I almost shocked the entire SAAB models, I question the whole system of pollutant classes, driving bans and environmental premiums.

Driving bans, environmental bonuses - consumption?

The SAAB corner is emblematic of excessive consumption and shows once again in what a blatant throwaway society we live. The SAABs all in a condition that would have been enough for one or another ten thousand kilometers. Instead, disposed of and most likely for any premium and thus a newly produced car exchanged. The situation is similar to the Swedish neighbors has almost a comforting effect. What is sustainable or environmentally friendly and ecological is incomprehensible to me as ever.

Back in the parking lot, I meet the owners of the Volvo, brief glances are exchanged, one is happy about the more than well-kept Sweden, a short greeting, thumbs up. The almost typical. What remains is the pure conscience of not being a part of this society, which is tempted by lurid bonuses to acquire any mass-produced or corporations that do business with the customers' hopes, again with a clear conscience through the environmental zones to drive German cities.

Instead, the 9000 is kept running, wearing parts are replaced to keep the car as long as possible. An attitude that actually seems sustainable and environmentally friendly. But with the sight of the Diesel one could be completely deceived, it almost seems as if sustainability is defined with a newly acquired motor vehicle.

No matter how. To the SAABs it is a pity, waiting for them in a few weeks and months the last walk to the press. Then they are gone and with them a further small part of historical cultural heritage.

53 thoughts too "The diesel death"

  • What really surprised me is the fact that then everyone starts again and buy the latest VW Golf, Touran, Bulli, etc.!

    Do not these people learn anything?

  • Our system has a very decided mistake: it is based on permanent consumption. To keep the bike going faster and faster, new products have to be consumed. Whether you need it or not.

    Every electric car, whether with battery or hydrogen, first comes to the "world" with a huge amount of resources. Would not it be better to use products for a longer time, and finally question that? But no, then the economy and growth will stall and anyway. When will we learn that we have to decide?

    • One should give premiums for the "older model driving" so that one does the environment only good!

  • Great report Tom!
    Fuel with fuel cell.
    I'm curious which impulse systems will prevail.
    As long as this is not clear, I drive beautiful Swedish classics, you get the cost and with good care they are one day classic and usually rise in value.
    Nice stupid who a few years ago for expensive money a Porsche big problem is generally no one knows which drive systems will prevail in the future.
    Electric motors are not suitable for everyday use and because of the future tightened general pollutant reduction of the EU, I would currently buy a new gasoline.
    I do not have a much bigger debate on the part of politicians and also research into alternative propulsion systems, such as synthetic fuels, natural gas fuels, fuel cell propulsion, etc
    Toyota, for example, will offer much more fuel cell vehicles in the future, as well as Japan, which would like to buy e-cars as well as electric e-vehicles ... Cayenne Diesel ....

  • an article that is written to me from the soul, an article that should rouse an article
    which was written great and was filled with many pictures, not only a Saab fan
    thoughtful but sad. What will our descendants think of us when
    whose foundations should no longer suffice for another, more modest life?

  • Long live the glass ball ... or how did the author find out that the vehicles are "in a state that would have been enough for one or another ten thousand kilometers"?
    I also speculate: The 3.0TID are all because of an engine failure, even a 2.2TID can say goodbye and the 1.9er are also affected by the swirl flap problem.
    (Still) good diesel are still very interesting for export dealers and not necessarily a case for the scrap.

    • speculation

      That's where I tend to speculate. It is also much more likely that three different engines of different generations and mileage together agree on a date for a collective suicide.

      Yes, right there, the fantastic thoughts of the author disappear - it could be politically so desired and influenced by premiums - immediately in the fog of the multitude of other conspiracy theories that otherwise circulate in the network. Thank you for the pertinent note.

      Seriously, Mr Daniel, you obviously have some experience and also technical knowledge. And you seem to feel connected to the SAAB brand. How is it that you, within the very benevolent frame of this blog and its readers, always have a lucrative voice?

      • Although I can not infer from the text that the said Saab were all parked there at the same time, I do not even doubt that a scrapping scheme makes a new purchase interesting. An intact Saab is not scrapped just because it gives VW a few thousand more than the car may still be worth. From a different point of view, one thinks very well in a very expensive repair (eg engine damage) if you do not "take away" a premium. Therefore my doubts about the supposedly good conditions of the scrap vehicles.
        I also do not recognize a plaintive tone in my contributions. I find it partly just a bit of bigot when complaining about the throwaway society (usually there are always the other) and to the question of who is really a 901, 9000 or maybe even a 902 in everyday life moves, as the main car, then it's right remains silent. Despite all the criticism of others, the car may be a bit more modern ... ;-) For Saab drivers sustainability is probably also more compulsory. I still remember too well how many people could hardly wait to buy a 9-3 successor because their own 9-3 had run 150000km by now and was already 6 years old. If Saab had not gone bankrupt it would not be much better with the sustainability of Saab drivers than with other brands.
        You should be so honest.

        • Quote: "An intact Saab is not scrapped just because VW gives it a few thousand more than the car may still be worth."

          You do not and that honors you. Unfortunately, not every SAAB owner brings the same enthusiasm. Some just squint after the vehicle value or according to environmental and driving ban zones ...

          Of course you are also right with the desire for new cars and the topic of sustainability - at least in part. The world would be easier if all SAAB drivers were like you. Or if they could all be shorn together over some other comb ...

          Statistically SAAB drivers are brand loyal and statistically they drive their cars longer, invest more. Statistically! But the statistics and the trend are just not absolute, are only a latent shift to the behavior of drivers of other brands. So there's a hell of a lot of air left for SAAB riders to have some (good) cars scrapped, or to wish or buy a new car before the old one is completely rocked ...

          But statistically, we SAAB drivers are more sustainable. After all!
          You should not always see everything as absolute, allow more shades of gray between the white and the black and then your world view and your image of SAABs and SAAB drivers would be alright again.

        • Lucky that the author of the text in everyday life moves an 9000 CD;). Summer and winter, sun like rain, snow or hail. But - and this must be mentioned - not for long. The days as the daily driver of the 9k are numbered. He too will soon get the H-mark. He will then be spared the everyday job, eg in winter, after 30 years of continuous use.

          The reason is simple: The 9000 should accompany me for a long time, the everyday job then takes over another car. Maybe a Saab Diesel ?!

          • That's exactly what I've just done: To protect my convertible, so it will accompany me for as long as possible, I've bought myself a 9-3 TTiD, Bj. 2011. A great purchase in every way! I am absolutely thrilled with the piece of jewelery, which drives fantastically, needs extremely little and is also an ingenious long-distance vehicle. Incidentally, the biggest challenge was not the driving ban in the Stresemannstraße, but the necessary second parking space in the old quarter in the middle of HH. In addition, I still hope to (at least a little) rationality of the authorities in the form of the approval of hardware retrofitting for Euro 5 diesel. Also a topic for my still outstanding reader contribution to the topic of sustainability. 🙂

        • That's certainly true in parts. If there were still SAAB, then it would be blasphemed again in the forums how good was the eternally divine 900 and how bad the current product. Can I still remember it? Sustainability can also be enforced, as in the case of SAAB.
          Unfortunately, the thing is right with the scrapping. Only now experienced with a 9-3 1 convertible in the circle of acquaintances. Should actually get the son. The necessary investments would have been 1.500 in the workshop. At VW, however, there was 7.000 environmental bonus. That was the end of the SAAB. The son drives now such a VW compact car.

          • What a pity! 🙁 By the way, also in economic terms - a 9-3 I Convertible is a classic and will maintain its value now with good care, whereas such a 08 / 15 small canned cucumber Bj. 2019 will not find a buyer in a few years. Quite apart from the ride comfort of the class and the joy of driving a convertible (and on Saab driving anyway).

        • As for new Saabs, because the old 6 is years old, it's true that most of us would wish for cars to be rebuilt in Trollhättan, and hopefully buy them, provided they have the means and the opportunity. If you are convinced of the brand and the successor is better than the old, it is understandable that you want to improve. As for the diesel dying, so I was talking recently with a friend and also Saabfan that it now probably many 9-5NG diesel combis with Euro 5 and 9-4X if it would also get a € 5 diesel, would give if Saab would not have gone bankrupt and these would probably be sold in Germany now due to the driving restrictions at low prices. Of course this is purely hypothetical and theoretical, but I wanted to apply this honesty. But this is how we try to keep the existing one as well as possible.

    • The condition was mostly moored at the interior. Unfortunately, digital speedos have prevented a mileage check. So much is said, the view under the diesel hood show here also traces of the exploitation.

  • I have my 9.5 SportCombi and will keep it for a long time. In defiance of the search just the symbols 9.5 and 2.2TiD, which I have lost after a crash. Everyone should see: I'm standing by my diesel.

  • What a brilliant business idea! I'm building a scam software in my diesel cars and for years I'm the pioneer in environmental protection and emission standards, put everyone in disbelief, even in the rigorous US, and sell more than anyone else.

    At some point, the stupid Amis come to me but then indeed on the creeps - but hey, hey ... it's still much better! After the first scrapping premium (as a "help" against the financial crisis caused by the US) had already washed me up, but unfortunately it had dried up, I made sure with this ingenious business idea that Merkel & Co. would decide the next one. The ruble keeps rolling, the wheel keeps turning!

    Stupid only that we have to make the Americans so horrendous compensation payments. But oh, well ... on it, the stupid German taxpayers finance that ultimately everything, and the bulk of our stupid customers, the largest number of our buyers, the German customers, get nothing. For what? They have no damage! They'll get all the great new cars from us with a new car bonus! That they all have to do a lot more because their diesel is worth nothing - who the fu ... is interested? Not me! Had her Diesrl keep and continue driving (except in HH, Stuttgart, Ruhrgebiet, etc.).

    But nobody has to and wants to go there. I think here on the Bavarian lake anyway much nicer. And I had a good time in Wolfsburg, I only paid 4,50 Euro per square meter for my great villa, I do not have to pay back my million bonuses because I did a great job - for VW, for the group, the consumers, the German economy - alas What do I say for the world economy! And of course for environmental protection and sustainability !! Ts ts, I almost forgot the last one ...

    Quite stupid only that the prosecutor's office is still somehow quite different. These pissed officials! But I also get the cow from the ice. It's clear that I did not know anything, and others have to stand up for it! They will not be able to prove anything to me ... Should they just book a few middle management, like this idiot sitting in America. That's why we quit the same without notice. A brilliant cheap solution!

    Signed Mr. W. (and the rest of the Board and the Supervisory Board, and also by BMx and Mexxxxxx and Oxxx)

    • I could not make out who I should blame what ...

      Probably a book will appear someday: THE STORY OF DIESEL & HEIZÖL. Subtitles: Rise and Fall - a Global Economic and Political Crime.

      Maybe some historian will finally be able to work through and evaluate this madness at some point? Maybe then we will know if the US-Diesel exported to us was even better and more honest. Or whether the exhaust standards were technically for anyone to meet, because the atmosphere nunmal 78% nitrogen. Whether the political guidelines were nonsense and unscientific. And I still have 1.000 questions about this unwritten book ...

    • You write to me from the heart! I have such a shit ... Anger on this VW group! And what do I have to look at all day? An iguana or pelican after another, now interrupted by the T-Rocs. Just howl!
      The people are just herd animals. VW, because you know what you have ......

  • 1.000 Thanks Jan_HH,

    the report and the pictures are very impressive. That the topic is sad, does not make the very successful article a bit worse ...

    On the contrary, I have the feeling that this society can not get enough such articles and food for thought ...

    In the ÖR I heard recently and now several times advertising that new oil heating state subsidized with several thousand euros. A thinking person no longer understands that.


    Would actually be a headline and an article worth. But it does not really bother anyone ...

    Real estate is fueled by fuel and so-called automobiles are hanging on the grid. Both handsome and promoted at the same time. Blessed is anyone who does not see the contradiction or does not want to see ...

    Technically, conversely, it would be simpler and more useful. The electricity-heated property would be without circulating pumps, heating pipes, valves, filling, ventilation, maintenance, acceptance, without oil tank and delivery and without chimney (-feger). The construction costs for a single-family home alone would be reduced by an 5-digit amount. Electric radiators of different size and power have been around for decades for an appel and an egg in the hardware store.

    If we do not fool ourselves, the easiest and least environmentally friendly way is never promoted, but always the most complex, technically most complex, costly and financially and economically promising way possible. Thus, the one that costs the most resources but also secures most jobs and brings the largest cash flow. Environmental protection is not an honest concern. I am increasingly wondering if he is even a concern ...

    We can not consume the environment healthy.

    • Very interesting information and a captivating idea (mobile with immobiler energy source and vice versa)! The "pollution" with nitrogen oxides by heating systems in residential areas is in my opinion public (unlike on the blog) as little broached as the CO2 load by the production of new vehicles, consuming electric vehicles, the consumption of rare earth, etc. In addition, completely hidden, that the oh so environmentally friendly electricity in this country is still predominantly from fossil energy sources (and nuclear power) is obtained. Thus, the air (allegedly) not in the city center, but eg in Hamburg-Moorburg (new coal power plant!) "Polluted", but where many people live! Somehow I feel reminded of the inhabitants of Schilda .... 🙁

      • Schilda ...

        ... is a good keyword, because there they carried light in bags to the town hall, as far as I know.

        The story of "more energy efficient" houses is also the story of windows and window glass. At the same time, the history of glazing is also the destruction of European forests. Just enter "forest glass" at Wikipedia.

        It seems to me quite symbolic of the current situation and political requirements. If we invest a lot of energy and resources today, we can save 10 and 15% tomorrow and again. Hallelujah!

        So we dam old buildings or damn old. We banish and waste energy and resources. But unlike before we save the world this time, they really save this time. And whoever believes it will be happy. This time already ...

      • SCHILDA 2.0

        A neighbor wants to grow an unheated conservatory to his modern and isolated home. In principle, a greenhouse with the well-known effects. The energy demand of the house would therefore continue to decline and the patio doors would be upstream of a lock and a windscreen. Compared to a freestanding greenhouse, a glass wall and resources would be saved ...

        And yet, although the neighbor may put a simply glazed and free-standing greenhouse in the garden (he does not want that), but not the winter garden to build the house. According to the reading of the building code, it would be part of the external façade and would have to correspond to it energetically ...

        SCHILDA 3.0 will be that even free-standing greenhouses must only be designed with 3-insulated glazing, stand on insulated floor slabs and have to have forced electrical ventilation with heat recovery. And then the world will be saved, because complexity and the greatest possible use of energy and resources has long been the (politically) predetermined way.

        There have the scraped diesel and a prevented conservatory something in common. Namely political guidelines, which work deeply into bourgeois as well as economic and industrial scope, without the thinking people could recognize their utility or necessity.
        I have not yet formed a final opinion on the so-called diesel scandal, but there are some indications that in the end it will be above all a political scandal ...

  • I can only agree with previous speakers !!!! The unbelievable imbecility culminates in the fact that the German lethal diesel is exported to other European countries - including neighboring countries - to continue driving there with green environmental packages cheerfully. It even reports in detail the German trade press .... (ams, AutoZeitung, car picture etc ....) The Europeans laugh, and buy new cars under value. Strange that I have not found an article in the German press, which deals with the overall balance of new cars ... .. As I know from my previous contributions, I live partly in the Greater Barcelona. Here are diesel available from Euro IV without any restriction. Now I want to congratulate all buyers of new cars - especially those who are loyal to VW - for their money and their contribution to environmental pollution. For my part, I have just brought one of my Saabs through the TÜV without defects, and I look forward to every kilometer.

    Greetings to the community

    The Lizzi

    • The "total balance sheet" is also one of my favorite keywords and keywords. It is missing for everything and everything. The new car vs. the used or the EV vs. the burner is just the tip of the iceberg ...

      Nice that politics and media know the way anyway. This time we are all really in front of a precipice and this time it is really high time that we all take a step forward. Who cares about total balance sheets? On the edge of a precipice you take a courageous step and good is - once and for all ...

      • The question is, why are the Saab Diesel there in the junkyard? What is broken?
        On my tank was leaking this year and Orio can not deliver anymore. My Saab has run under 180000 km and is end of 2007. I can not go without a tank !!!
        Luckily I found a second hand, but what about two years ....
        Then maybe I have to scrape a top well-kept Saab!

        • No,
          That's not the right question for this article. The question is, why are there only diesel?
          Otherwise, your comments, thoughts and fears are of course valid. And unfortunately I have no answer but share your question marks fully.

          • The diesel is of course more susceptible than a gasoline engine ... .Drallklappen, dual mass flywheel, soot filter, etc .. .. da me the question.
            And if there are still missing parts, like a broken tank.
            Of course, there are also people who are lured by scrapping.

          • I would separate both topics. There is the spare parts supply and there are gasoline and diesel. Both have a tank or other SAAB-specific parts. And yet only the SAAB-Diesel land in large numbers in the so-called recycling ...

            Theoretically, the spare part supply of diesel-specific parts (GM) would have to be significantly better than that of the SAAB petrol engine. Also, the SAAB diesel go no special way, but follow the cars of other brands abroad or just on the scrap. The reasons are the same for all brands, are political.

            For me, the article by Jan_HH is coherent and conclusive.

  • The cars had so much potential, so many miles could have been driven. I'm sorry for any Saab scrapped for no reason. Big safe cars that can drive with 5 liter of diesel have been destroyed. We will not give our diesel 9-3, here in Austria we are thankfully not affected by driving bans

  • A very healthy opinion Jan_HH. Hopefully the right Saab Old-timers will keep driving on our streets. Even if there are only a few thousand KM per year. Saab must never disappear from the street.

    • Not only Saabs should not disappear. Every built car should drive as long as possible. Especially for the environment ....

  • Many thanks to Jan for this very good and very sad article, also for the great (wistful) photos! Great research and written! This (underlying) madness makes me so angry that I first had to react with sarcasm to the topic (see above).

    I can only fully underline all statements regarding sustainability, consumption, etc. And it cuts in your heart, so good and beautiful Saabs, the year (ten?) E loyal service and their drivers could enjoy to see eviscerated. For example, the 9-5 in the beautiful, rare cosmos-blue metallic. A shame! 🙁

    A tiny little consolation perhaps :: The fact that so many saab-specific components have already been exploited and expanded, but shows that the need is there, so there are many Saab-friends who care for their (old) favorites and for spare parts resort to the junkyard, right? (For what else can you not use these special Saab components, I hope ...)

    • Many Thanks ! The Saabs were actually quite exploited for gasoline and diesel.

  • Thanks for this scary beautiful article. It hurts in my soul what's going on here. Personally, I have unfortunately also infected by this diesel gate and my great 95NG TiD Automatic sold far below value (without buying another car). Of course, I am responsible for that, but the impetus came from this arrogant VW group with its shitty strategy! I have such anger at these brothers. And when I see 4 new Tiguan and 2 new T-Roc standing in my immediate neighborhood then I could ..., well, I hold myself back and am pleased with my Saab (the newest is already 15 years old) and drive it until it does not work anymore.
    I hope we see each other soon in Trollhättan. I am really looking forward to it! Pure Saab and nothing but Saab!

    • Do not worry ...

      And wait a bit with the blame. It's probably VW, who made the beginning. BMW, Mercedes and others have long followed. Do US imports playfully enforce all standards, are technically far superior to Europeans, or have they never been measured?

      I do not know the answer yet, but it is politically negotiated and also politically wanted, that nevertheless still new VW diesels are in the neighborhood, that diesel and heating oil are still promoted politically (fiscally or by premiums). Sad, if there's a 9-5 NG under the wheels ...

      But we still have to find the real culprit (s). And then I like to raise the second stone, because it was clear from the beginning that this world would not be saved by a witch hunt. The inquisitors are the real evil, that's for me now ...

      • VW ...... and what do the others do? I have asked myself this question so many times and found no answer. All
        TÜV checks exhaust emissions for two years and if these are not according to the legal requirements, there are none
        Plaque. How do you see the exhaust emissions of Saab vehicles, Volvos or the other foreign manufacturers
        out. Do they comply with the limits?

        • Well, the AU or HU emissions test, in the form practiced by 2006 to 2018, may well be understood as Abkassierungslizenz for the testing organizations. Since only the fault memory was read out for the corresponding vehicle years with on-board diagnosis and if there was no error entry, everything was fine. And which manipulated vehicle has already filed an error in memory? Right, none.
          And even for older vehicles, and since 2018 again for all vehicles carried tailpipe measurement, can detect with the carbon monoxide and turbidity measurement actually only defective or dismantled catalysts and particulate filters. An exhaust gas assessment to determine the exhaust gas composition costs a few thousand euros, and probably no one wants to pay in his main investigation.
          The HU is already the wrong place to really detect exhaust gas manipulation. And since also the Kraftfahrtbundesamt has filed only the data reported by the manufacturers, without the order, or the opportunity to check them, it has just come as it has come.
          That happens when the market regulates the things. And the really frightening thing is probably that our system in Europe has turned out to be toothless than that in the US. Although 'our' self-image is different.

          • Thanks for the detailed answer. I thought that in the exhaust measurement in the TÜV report
            values ​​have something to do with the pollutants that a vehicle emits.

            On my meanwhile 30 years old Saab 900 turbo with estimated 550.000 km (km counter remained
            8 years ago at 417.000 km), the examiner said in the investigation: Very good emissions
            for such an old car.

        • The others have just more sophisticated systems for exhaust gas detoxification. Why has so far not been a single diesel from Japan and Korea conspicuous? The numbers can not be, because these manufacturers certainly sell more than conspicuous Cayenne Diesel.

          VW / Audi has never been known for high quality engine technology but rather for bread and butter cars. And was not it that this software "solution" was just cheaper than a bigger one? Thanks to the merchants!

          • Maybe Donald Trump has more beef with german cars and the german "export surplus" ...

            And maybe German politicians do not dare to repay it with the same coin? Another point is the EU requirements for fleet consumption. Japanese, Koreans, and US vehicles are not affected. Technologically, you have a classic conflict of interest, if you should burn the least possible fuel as efficiently as possible, but no nitrogen oxides may arise.

            The Americans simply sell us a V6 diesel with 2,8 liters, which is less powerful but more exhausted and good. It is already noticeable, the old (German) Diesel could sometimes, produced less nitrogen oxides, as the youngest and highly bred engines ...

            Who knows how stupid and simple the answer is in the end? I'm talking about political (and globally unequal) conditions.

        • Great - thumbs up! Estimated 550.000 and a speedometer stuck with 417.000 eight years ago! 🙂 What a great car, congratulations!

      • Yes, I do not "believe" (but of course it does not anyway) that VW was the sole or first gangster, so in my comment above, the other shortcuts. The public prosecutor's offices have already taken corresponding steps at BMW, Mercedes and Opel. It stands to reason that the German monopolists had denied themselves (as was the case recently with regard to other topics by the Bundeskartellamt).

        I am also very interested in the question of how the American products (allegedly?) That have not really competed in many other questions (supposedly?) Have (have) set their own strict limits.

        • USA (and others)

          Or was it because of the fact that the Americans and accordingly the American manufacturers have always driven or produced petrol anyway? Diesel was there only a marginal phenomenon, the petrol dirt cheap, because subsidized by the state (as with us the diesel). So it did not matter if the gasoline, even the giant SUV, needed 15 liter. And since there are all allowed to drive only 80 before, the fuel consumption then does not affect so great.

          Then came VW and made big words, they had invented the egg of Columbus with their diesel engines: fantastic performance, extremely low fuel consumption and best environmental values ​​(which, moreover, in terms of diesel in terms of CO2 so well not to be dismissed, times apart from ethanol, which is another topic).

          At the latest with the development of common-rail technology, however, the resulting benefits would have had to be increasingly invested in new energy-saving implementation and concepts, rather than just more power. The lightweight A2 made of aluminum, for example, was a brilliant car. My husband used to have an 90 PS Diesel that consumed very little and also drove 200. But he was soon pulped.

          I suppose the Koreans, Japanese, French, Italians, and so on, if they have ever built diesel engines on a large scale, simply have other priorities, not egg-laying woolly milk. Not always larger engines with allegedly lower emissions.

          I drive now as a second car the 9-3 SportCombi TTiD, year 2011, 160 PS, Euro 5 - the last and most recent diesel engine that Saab had in the program. A Fiat engine (Italian!), According to the friendly master in Kiel is the best and smoothest diesel engine he knows! And no swirl problem more etc. 160.000 run and it is a pure pleasure to drive it: Great acceleration, is super on the gas, is extremely quiet and needs under 6 liter, in pure urban traffic 7.

          The previous owner sold it to me because she did not want to have it scrapped - a first-hand, checked-maintenance piece of jewelery that looks just like a new car! 7.000 Euro would have gotten her if she had consecrated him to the junk press!

          • That the Koreans, Japanese, French, Italians, or others, have built cleaner diesel engines, can be doubted confidently. Although the ADAC can not believe everything, but the on the following website ( are already interesting.

            Apparently, or you can not, foreign manufacturers just as easily throwing clubs between the legs, as is the case with the domestic, without investing with the appropriate foreign governments.
            Of course, one can ask oneself whether our government overshoots the goal, or the others have too much peace away? Although this is probably not the reason, you just do not want to scare your own consumers or voters and can live well with it, if the 'problem' continues to be perceived only as German.

            Interestingly enough, life expectancy has been getting longer in recent decades (, although the vehicle density and the distances covered have always grown. This should mean, in a first approximation, that the individual vehicle has become cleaner. So it's only half as bad?
            Or are there more influences on the work than just the automobile traffic? The system is just as big as the planet and correspondingly complex, there are probably no simple solutions that do not hurt anyone. The justifiable but probably no 'continue as before', since the resources are just finally.

            What was or might have been clever then, of course, is much easier to say in retrospect in 5, 10, 20, or even more years ago ...

          • @ StF

            Very nice, because balanced and thoughtful comment. And right, there should not be any further. Not in a long time. Sadly, however, that how it could continue instead, unfortunately, for a long time may not be talked. The way has long since been decided - politically and medially.

            Anyone who still expresses skepticism today about whether everything is really considered, who points out that there are hooks or lugs, who even in the land of non-availability tricks, points out alternatives, is immediately shaken with climate skeptics.
            It does not even matter if you do not have exactly that - namely the climate and environmental protection - to your very own concerns and honest and serious in mind.

            It's just as it was with nuclear energy in the 1950er to 80ern. Humanity once again found a holy grail. And woe to the one who had something to complain about or even with extreme caution well-formulated and reasoned concerns had expressed ...

            Who at that time pointed to the almost eternally radiant nuclear waste, was a reactionary and refusal to progress of the worst kind. What does it matter that they were all right?

            Ironically, in the land of the so-called diesel scandal still governs a Chancellor, the same both combined under one roof: the better-knowing that nuclear energy was no alternative (exit from the exit) and now the besserwisserei, how to make exactly the energy and traffic are. Of course, once again large-scale, all-encompassing and without alternative ...

            There is not even the farmer's place, who would like to press his own bio-diesel for his tractor in his own and powered by electricity from bio-gas oil mill environmentally neutral. Nope, is not part of the plan. He could do that today and Danish colleagues are doing that too ...

            But the German farmer still has to wait and may in 50 years like to buy an autonomous driving EV - as soon as the BER is in operation, we got out of the coal and have the solar infrastructure and storage for it.

          • @StF

            Thanks for the link, interesting article. Whether that's right, is of course the question, but worth reading in any case. I can only agree with the second part of the comment, a very differentiated approach.

            But what can more than confidently be doubted is the assumption that the German government, for fear of relations with foreign countries, would "throw no tricks on foreign manufacturers". The opposite is clearly true: in no country in the world is the domestic auto industry so strongly regarded, subsidized and promoted by the government as a "key industry" (2 x scrapping bonus, etc.) as in Germany. No German government lays down with the big German three (which are also state-owned), whose hand reaches into the Ministry of Transport and beyond. Nowhere is the domestic automobile lobby so strong as in D. If it could, German policy would throw so many "tricks" on foreign manufacturers that they can not run anymore to stay in the picture. D does not shy away from the best EU friends with his "key industry". Just remember the theater about the labeling of the cars in terms of consumption and emissions. From D repeatedly postponed, watered down, questioned - to make the German PS machines and SUV-Tonner compared to the French small cars look good.

            The background in terms of foreign diesel must be another, which - unfortunately - we all do not know.

          • @ Ebasil,

            I do not think it's that extreme, not so one-sided and clear ...
            Close links with the state are shown by larger automobile companies in different countries.
            Funding policies, protectionism and corruption have many ways of playing football. The scrapping bonus in D was counterproductive in many ways. Also in the sense that German tax money was distributed over the domestic market but above the global automotive industry. Targeted funding looks different.

            Ask Trump or Xi Jinping if they underestimate the key role of their own auto industry and whether they can learn something from German politicians. The question is either interpreted as a very joke or as a personal insult, you reap the laughter or a sack.

  • The fact that people do not learn is due to the fact that the bigger picture is so unbridgeable: Which cars are testing magazines, newspapers and journals? Which cars can be seen on the road and can be assigned to them - if it works really well? Which cars do you see on TV? By now, almost every shipment has only placed products ... and that's what makes three companies in this country.
    Opel or Ford? - Are hardly mentioned and are then only second winner.
    The French? - Diving as an example of "How not to do it because too soft / too playful / seems cheap ..." or as Dacia derivative. Because of the price.
    The Japanese? - At most still worth mentioning with hybrids.
    Fiat? - Is not even called a bad example. Own tests: no indication.
    The new Skoda seems to me at the moment Hyundai / Kia to be: "test winner in the sum of the characteristics and affordable" - whatever is defined under the latter ...
    The Koreans probably pay well for advertising and / or have the corresponding pleasant to get hold of test vehicles ...

    The average consumer thus has the choice: Skoda / Seat / VW / Hyundai / Kia. That's it.

  • For the UK (Central London) is now a ULEZ (ultra low emissions zone), and NO Saabs' with diesel engine get away with a £ 12.50p daily charge ... Even the NG 9-5.
    BUT worse, from 2021 the zone wants to extend to whole of London within the Circular Road of North and South. All cars do not want to pay the £ 12.50p per day to drive in this area.
    This will include petrol engine cars like the 9000 & older 900.

    Worse, my 9-5 (2009) runs on LPG (clean engine), but still I have to pay ......

    Saab's Staying on the Roads 1-2 miles ...

  • Thanks for this very interesting iInformation! I am afraid not only the German Government is acting crazily concerning this matter. 🙁 And in the zone?

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