Living with two Saab 9 3s in the year 2019

Since here on the part of Blog asked I also want to write my contribution for the blog here, as I became Saab fan I already wrote, I already wrote reports about meetings, now I want to write how they are perceived, how they are moved and how they are cared for.

Living with Saab. Both Saab 9-3
Living with Saab. Both Saab 9-3.

Seen, I think a normal Saab 9-3 II // 9-3III is not particularly noticeable in the streetscape, the cars look visually still young, the design line of the facelift could be so nearly in a showroom of new cars. Among us Saab fans of course, the cars are already on, barely a Saab is hidden, with some Saabs you see, you know the owner and knows about the workshop and Saab meeting, but that does not mean that Saab owners often a Need to go to the workshop. It is more like going to the workshop to chat, meet nice Saab drivers and do good things for the Saab. If you do the Saab well, he will thank you with a lot of driving pleasure.

It's very mixed among friends, acquaintances and outsiders. Many are curious, and ask how it is to drive a supposedly dead brand. An acquaintance who has long tried to drive a car of a now defunct British manufacturer, has given it up for lack of spare parts and has changed to a living French manufacturer. He can not imagine that the Saabs are still driven like that, and the brand still finds so many followers. Friends who tend to be interested in the automobile have also found interest in Saab, even caring for some vehicles and the meetings. Some even send me photos of Saabs when they see a Saab. Recently, a friend even sent me a picture of a 9-3 with Greek marks, which she accidentally discovered in Vienna.

Can be moved the Saabs still have problems. Thank God there are no diesel bans in Austria and thus the diesel can be driven without restriction. For a while, the price of diesel was almost as high as Super Plus, which saddened the basic enjoyment of diesel fuel economy, but now the prices of gasoline and diesel have returned to normal. You do not have the feeling of moving an old car, well, hardly.

Of course, if you have the opportunity to drive a comparable sized new car, you will naturally feel that development time has not stopped, many things are becoming more modern, advertisements are more precise, more colorful. Digital just. Everything beeps, warning sounds from all sides. At the latest, if the Spurhalteasisstent has not recognized the first construction site marker and starts to cheep wild, you worry if you need all this.

Any improvement in traffic safety is of course desirable, but of course all systems have their limitations, and if you annoy the Gepiepse and you turn everything off, the question arises why you carry it with you. You still have to drive yourself and not the computer.

Everything is clearly structured in a Saab, everything is clear and easy to read and operate. If you have installed a navigation system, the cockpit of an 9-3II or 9-3III looks visually not antiquated. No indication is covered by the steering wheel rim. The nightpanel makes some long night trips easier, as I have already written. A Virtual Cockpit looks nice in the showroom, but in everyday life is just a gimmick and distraction.

Since these cars will not exist anymore, you drive more attentively and relaxed. Short distances, so the classic "bread from the bakery around the corner fetch" are not made if possible, for city driving the public transport are used. It does not use every speed limit fully, often enough with a little 100 and cruise control on the highway to drive. You get to your destination almost as fast as you have to use less, less material wear and get to your destination more relaxed. With a Saab you contribute so much to environmental protection and sustainability. But that does not mean that you only sneak around, sometimes you just want to feel the pressure of the turbo and drive out. If I had the opportunity, I would also save a neglected Saab like Paul and give him a second life. There are unfortunately some candidates, if you look in some sales notice. The cars would earn it.

Remains to write how the cars are supplied. So far, there are no supply problems, you bring the car to the Saab workshop for annual service, if necessary, even get a Saab as a replacement car which makes you all the more happy and can pick up your own car when it's ready. Spare parts, which are needed for an older car, are available in stock or in the shortest possible time and are priced within the normal range. For special requests, I hope for the help of the Saab community, which can provide mutual exchange of experience.

If you read on the Internet in forums and hear from friends, how they are partially treated in brand workshops in warranty cases, or if for a 5-7 years old car of a major manufacturer, a special spare part is not available, then you look all the more on your own Saab and appreciates the expertise of the Saab workshop. As I wrote before, in our case that is Saab Himberg, Here, the Saabs are well looked after.

Adaptations for the Saabs are currently not available. Only the seal on the rear window should be renewed in the limousine, this dissolves slowly. Since the Softlacktasten were renewed, it is also handled very carefully here. Since both cars are still under the 200 000 km mark, I hope that both of them can be driven for a long time without any problems.

Thanks to Ken-Daniel for the Saab story on Sunday. How is it in everyday life with an older Saab? What do you experience, how do friends, colleagues and the family react? With indulgence, enthusiasm or compassion? How do you keep the Saab alive, what do you do with spare parts and workshops, how do you optimize or restore the old Swedes?

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47 thoughts too "Living with two Saab 9 3s in the year 2019"

  • Very nice, and then both Saab in red!

  • Wonderfully written. With a Saab you are well dressed, I always say. Of course, two saws are better! See you soon Ken-Daniel.

  • Hello Ken-Daniel, thanks for your Saab contribution and the pictures.
    The following questions I have: Are both Saabs equal motorized?
    If so, why two identical or similar Saabs? Coincidence or because of the family
    or because of the color? Why not convertible and Combi?

    • Hello, the Combi is a gasoline XWD, the sedan a diesel. The diesel was exchanged for an 9-9 5 years ago, the Combi three years ago to us as a replacement for a Subaru. Just wanted to have a combi. A convertible might even come to that. The two are red is a coincidence, but a red convertible would fit well.

      • I would also like the XWD.

        But I also recognize the qualities of the 9-3 II. Cool and functional, for example, I think that not yet hell of it all is painted in body color ...

        How to open a door without a wedding ring scratching the lacquered door handle? And do unmarried right-handers always think about putting the car key in the left before reaching for the driver's door?

        Not everything was better in the past. But conversely, not every last cry is really a real progress ...

        Anyway, nice cars. Both both and each in his own way.

        • About the protective strips on the doors I enjoy in tight garages or if you have to park close to a fence. And I miss the protected loading edge of unpainted plastic, which have the prefacelift Combis. The facelift has indeed omitted.

  • A lot of color for the weekend!

    Very nice written, thank you! The laser red is a great color! I think for the SportCombi simply awesome (for the convertible I would have always been too gaudy and you know red convertibles with black hood of other brands from any American films 80er). I also always found the maroon metallic of the 900 II (was that really the case with the 9-3 I as well?) And many blue-colored metallic ones (cosmos, sapphire or fusion, fjord etc.). Too bad that in D - according to the local interest - often only "musselige" (or none, that is black, white, silver) colors were offered!

    My absolute dream car in beautiful blue, the unique piece 9-3 2.0T Aero Griffin Cabriolet Sky Blue Edition
    First registration: 04 / 2012, is currently available for sale by Leitner, see Unfortunately I just do not have 😉 60T € left and besides it probably would not be the right one to drive in the middle of the big city. But maybe it fits in with some readers from the blog? 🙂

  • 2 beautiful Saab in good hands

    Carefree Saab reading on Sunday, which one likes to read. Thank you Ken-Daniel.
    And many thanks also to Saab Himberg, that they still have some parts of their work and have made it possible for them to contribute to this positive and positive experience. Hats off to so much engagement.

    Unfortunately, I can not and should not confirm this as universally valid for all former Saab dealers. My chrome glasses SC had been with someone for many years, who had started early to keep out parts. A look into the (empty) shelves of the camp was possible from the office.
    2 days have been made standard for every service. Day 1 was then a call in the afternoon, which meant, in the ideal case, that you can pick up the car in the late afternoon of day 2 scheduled ...
    But it also happened that one discovered a trifle, ordered another part and the car was finished at the end of day 3.

    And all, as I said, shortly after the Saab bankruptcy. An entrepreneur has optimized his cash flow and balance sheets - but not the service and customer loyalty. He must know. I continue my Saab but am now elsewhere. All good.
    But I am saddened by the thought that one or the other change of brand could have been stimulated by bad and nevertheless expensive service and the prices for used Saabs have been negatively influenced ...

  • Thanks for this report. I drive myself a 9-3 to my full satisfaction. Only the aforementioned ugly "traces of paint" on the keys and the aging Navi I would like to have improved.
    Is there a source for it?

    • For facelift 9-3 Saab Lafrentz has a Navi in ​​the program. For pre-facelift models it looks bad.

      • Thanks to Ken-Daniel for the nice report. I can understand everything well, as well as my life of two Saab 9-3 || Combi is accompanied. I call them my dizygotic twins, since they are only two days apart from the first registration. Otherwise, of course, the similarities are limited to the brand, the form and the usual, what a Saab 9-3 || accounts. One is red with AHK, normal equipment, without great extras. He has the small 1.8 l petrol engine with 122 PS. A wonderful car for everyday use, which I also use for business. A very brave 'worker' with unusual design, which is seen from morning to night on the streets. Through him I was also approached by the initiator of a Saab Stammtisch in Munich East, f in a parking lot.
        The second Saab, which came in half a year ago, is almost the opposite of it. He is the 'wolf in sheep's clothing', an Aero model. Steel gray metallic, all equipment, which was probably 2005 available, including wonderful, robust two-tone leather, and the 2.8 l V6 turbo engine with deer tuning. For me, this car is an affordable dream that lets you feel everything you can and can do. Say he does not iron out everything that makes up a sporty, fast car, with some 'helpers' of an electronic nature, away.
        I take him for trips in the mountains etc. This is a dream for me with this car. And if it has to be, I can always use it as a combo, like its uneven 'twin'. However, this is only appropriate in exceptional cases, since the two differ greatly not only in the motorization, but also in their thirst.
        So, that was a short description of my life with two Saab 9-3 || Kombi.
        Greetings to all !

        • I would also like a 1,8i 9-3 as a Combi because it is cheap to maintain (motor-related insurance tax = vehicle tax) and would not suffer in short-haul traffic.

        • Sounds good.
          Sounds like a small fleet of vehicles that covers everything from reason to fun, from function to luxury ...

          Two more, three sentences more and a few nice pictures and already this comment would be a full reader contribution! As it is, it is a comment that I have also enjoyed reading. Thank you.

        • So consistently positive experiences with the 1.8i? What did he do?

        • So you can recommend the 1.8i with a clear conscience?

          • Yes, and if something happens, it's easy to fix.

          • Hi Stefan,
            Until yesterday, a Saab 1.8t with 150Ps (2004) as a limo, so to speak, my first great love and my joy after work.
            At 50k km I bought it, sold with 260k km.
            Only minor items have been replaced unscheduled (CD changer, windscreen wiper mechanism, fuel pump, power steering, front seat cable).

            About the high quality and driving pleasure, I'm still positively surprised.
            So far, the following components are still original equipment:
            - Engine
            - Transmission
            - Starter
            - Turbo
            - LIMA
            - complete exhaust system including Lamda
            - coupling
            - all 4 shock absorbers
            - all 4 wheel bearings
            - everything else….

            Would I buy it again?
            But for sure!
            I only parted with it because of the parking problem because of the new acquisition of a Saab Sportcombi 1.9ttid. Although I had already bought the 2018 and already replaced LIMA and ARG Venti (the usual diesel problem halt) ...
            Yes, the new diesel (vintage 2008, full equipment) has a great draft and a more modern dashboard, but nothing more!
            I miss the good old petrol engine! Why? The had personality, a smooth engine, was very quiet, the driving just fit. Was always reliable and consumed between 7.5 - 8.1 l / 100km Normal Gasoline.

            I'm a passionate Saab fan and will be testing a convertible 2.0 (2004 Aero) this Saturday.
            It should also be the 1.8t!
            Then there are again 2 great Saabinchen on my farm, which will sweeten my life weiterin.

            Best regards!

      • Is there more information about the navigation system?

        • Unfortunately not from my side. A visit to Kiel, combined with an article about the Navi, is indeed on the wish list. But not more. Lafrentz posts more often via the Navi on FB. Maybe that's helpful?

          • Perhaps the new North German correspondence from Hamburg drum can take care of that ?! 😉 A visit to Lafrentz would be on the slip anyway!

        • Last year, I had the navigation system retrofitted to Lafrentz and I can tell you about my experiences today or tomorrow, if desired (but I'm in a hurry right now).

          • I think that would interest a number of readers, the topic is repeatedly in demand and moved. Maybe you can send a short report to Tom? The topic is otherwise here, I'm afraid.

  • Courage to color! Normally, red cars are not my thing. The two 9-3 she is very good, as I think Saab had always a good hand with this color.

    Is there a continuation of the article, maybe 2020? I would be glad!

    • Amazing how many comments and thoughts the color generates ...

      But I can understand that well. When walking around a red car, the toenails often roll up as soon as you arrive at the rear and see how much the rear lights and body color bite ...

      This is different (see first picture) and that is probably the secret. The 9-3 II paint and taillights form a unit. I once saw a red 9-5 chrome frame SC, which was like that and was surprised how good a red car can look when the color is deliberately and precisely chosen and harmonises with the rear and brake lights. I was thrilled ...

      The 9-3 III here or a red 9-5 NG in the same color does not ask this question anymore (changed taillights), but it was good and right from Saab, because there are no new color experiments. If red, then red.

      When it comes to shape and color, you can not blame the SAAB designers for being the wrong buyer and driver. It also makes it easier to look around the market today for used SAABs. Thanks SAAB.

      • And so different are the tastes, I would really prefer taillights that contrast in color as for example the facelift taillights. Some have re-equipped them.

        • Both are good and do not exclude each other ...

          I was misunderstood. The (light) color of brake, taillights and cat's eyes is largely standardized. I just wanted to say that it's better if the red plastic of rear lights and the car paint are not biting.

          The white and clear glass optics of the rear lights of later models has solved the problem anyway. The question of whether I find one solution better than the other, I have said nothing. To be honest, not even thought about it ...

    • Anna Maria is absolutely right. The one of my two 9-3 || Kombis is yes, as already mentioned, also red. The color is very good to him. The color, especially if it has been washed fresh, still has a tremendous intensity and brilliance. Since I'm always not believed that he already has 13 years under his belt. I do not do anything special. To my second, sporty and same old 9-3 || Kombi 2.8 I think fits his steel gray metallic somehow better. In direct comparison, but does make the red on my two Saabs, which are exactly the same age, the better impression. The black plastic panels, in the door handle recesses are really very effective, and look, like the other black adaptations, to the red well. My two also have the mentioned loading sill panel, which I really appreciate.
      As already mentioned, I find the 1.8i with 122 PS a super everyday use car, but can miss some torque. You can not have everything.
      A year of purchase I can not give. I do not have the experience. Toi, toi, toi, maybe I had luck with 2005, both of them so far.
      The red 1.8 i now have almost 3 years. The last year due exhaust was especially for this engine not easy to get. More was not yet. However, he had on purchase only 120.000 km on the clock. Timing belt had been made 5000 km before.
      The 2.8 turbo I have only 1 / 2 year. The first owner had this all years, until he bought, at the Saab Autohaus Bauer in Munich wait, or repair. He said he was very satisfied. All bills are available. The dealership seems to be located in the upper price segment. The 1.8i can certainly be made in independent workshops due to the still fairly simple construction. I do not know yet about the 2.8 turbo. On the 1.8 i, for example, I was able to change the parking light bulb on the left front side with a few pieces of garnish. I can not do that with the same car, with the 2.8 engine, because everything is completely assembled. Does anyone have a hint ? I have not looked at the net yet.
      I just wanted to answer briefly. Now it has become so much again. My Saabs have grown to my heart.

    • "Courage to color"

      The 932 SC before facelift is the really bright Laser Red really good (as well as the 931 CV), my girlfriend drives such a station wagon. And a biting with the rear lights is excluded, they are ice-white ...

  • Which year would be a recommendation for a 93 II / III?
    Is the 1.8i the best choice for a daily driver?

    • The blog recommends the 1,8t, but think that you can also use the 1,8i very well as a Daily Driver. The maintenance costs are favorable. the 122 PS are not high even in the car tax.

      • The 1.8t is certainly the saabiger vehicle 🙂 However, I see nothing that would speak against the 1.8i. Cost-effective you can not drive 9-3. Recommended are vehicles from model year 2008.

      • country specific

        For the sake of completeness: taxes and insurance are country-specific. For cubic capacity the costs for i and t are identical.
        In D, the tax is still essentially measured by displacement. In Italy, the insurance was once measured by displacement and is this perhaps even still? I do not know that …

        But a friend got a long time ago a Volvo estate car from Italy, who already had a "small" but potent 2,0 Turbo, which was never available for this model in D and explained to me that in Italy the insurance to 2,0 essential cheaper than above. In D the same car with 2,3 liters but less boost pressure was sold. The German version was even weaker despite the larger engine and was also worse on the gas, if I have that right in my head. The Italian Volvo was the spritzigere.

        Other countries other manners …

        • Thus, for Germany, the 1,8t is probably more attractive, if the tax is the same, unless you get an attractive offer for a 1,8i
          Gabs not for tax reasons for some countries not even aeros with smaller displacement? Of that there was something to read here.

          • Quite possible. Can not remember a corresponding article here, but maybe it was as described for Volvo by me - so the 9000 and 9-5 I as 2,0 instead of 2,3 liter of aeros for corresponding markets ...

            I would be less surprised than then the Volvo with an unknown engine. SAAB already had 2,0 on the shelf.

            An attractive offer for a SAAB 1,8i is always a good reason everywhere in the world 😉
            And sooner or later there will be a speed limit on the highway in D ...

          • I have a German Aero Brochure for 9-3 and 9-5, from 2006. In it is the smallest capacity offered 2.3 Turbo.

          • In Italy, the 9000 Aero was only with 2 liter engine. Whether the 9-5 I do not know.

          • @ Christoph Blum,

            correctly. However, the dialogue is about other markets, deviating from the German framework and therefore possibly deviating and market-specific specifications ...

          • Thanks Tom!

            Now everything fits together again. Amazing and obvious at the same time that national differences in the insurance industry have such an influence on the automotive technology ...

            Historic vehicles from Italy are famous for rather small but fine engines.
            Since small 6 or even 8 cylinders have been developed, whose displacement in other countries has tried to squeeze into an 4 cylinder as soon as possible. Maybe there is also a connection to the tax base by the Italian insurance industry?

          • The tax guidelines used to draw a 2 liter limit in Italy. Everything about it was "luxury". Hence the smaller engines. There were real Ferrari works of art with "only" 2 liters displacement.

          • Tom, thanks again.

            Fantastic, what one learns here, can ask and may. Make fun, make smart ...

        • And in Austria one takes as small as possible the engine to keep the tax low, also company cars are limited in the purchase of goods and may not emit more than 121g / km Co2.

  • Have a black 9.5 Combo Aero with 50000 km and a 9.3 Viggen Hirsch Performance with 276 PS. So Saab is driving heavenly. The latter, by the way, with 111000 km in best condition for sale. Looking for a 900 he 16 S Convertible with under 150000 km.

    • Balls of Steel

      You have to be a hell of a bone to decide on one or the other duo in this dreamy trio. How did you do that? You could not have thrown a coin with three sides ...

  • wonderful article ... Saabs get better with age. We drive. our 2011 9-3X Combi on long (800Km) round trip drives several times a month ... is now just short of 200,000km. Other than new front wheel bearings and front strut, no problems except A / C compressor last week. The dealer provided a loaner for the weekend of a brand new Chevrolet Blazer. We could not wait to get our Saab back. Waze and Google Maps on iPhone are better ... .too bad, the iPhone does not connect to the navigation panel.

  • Hallo,

    a lot has been said and many thanks for the nice article.

    In everyday life I am accompanied by an 9-3 II SC (2009), an absolutely reliable car. Last year, a 9-3 I CV came along - I would consider it one of the "rescued" whose rescue is not quite cheap, but that pleases the car.

    A question to the author / the community:
    1) "Dirty" rear window seal: The problem I know of a 9-3 II (2004) sedan also. Can someone help me if an exchange is necessary and what it costs about?
    2) Are the buttons for the control panel of the air conditioning meanwhile somewhere to get individually, or only in the set?

    Thank you in advance and wish you all a nice evening.

    • HELP ...

      ... I would like to be more comprehensive, but only in the context of my limited knowledge.
      Speaking of frame, yes gammlige seals of rear or windscreens are necessarily replaced.
      Otherwise, sooner or later there will be water in the interior, mold, electrical problems and possibly also structural damage to the A- and / or C-pillars ...

  • Hello Herbert,

    Thank you very much, I'll take a look at the seals around the rear window and look forward to the costs ...

    Beautiful weekend, when the time comes 🙂

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