Sono Motors in Trollhättan

The short messages are very Scandinavian today. They start with Sono Motors, the hope for Trollhättan. The Munich startup was traveling the last days in Sweden. Potential customers could test the prototypes of the electric car at three locations. With some success. Because the number of pre-orders paid exceeded a magic brand.

Sono Motors prototype in the former Saab factory in Trollhättan
Sono Motors prototype in the former Saab factory in Trollhättan. Photo: Sono Motors

10.000 pre-orders for the Sion

On Wednesday, Sono Motors announced 10.000 pre-orders for the innovative SEV. Interesting: 87% of orders were made in Germany, Austria and Switzerland. Above all, Germany has not been conspicuous as a leading market for electric cars.

At Sono Motors are the 10.000 orders for around 214 million € sales. The development seems to be gaining momentum, and since June 2018 have doubled, according to the manufacturer, the existing orders. Which is positive for Sono Motors, but also good for Trollhattan as an automotive location. Living in the old Saab factory would build on an automotive tradition that began more than 70 years ago.

The people of Munich have published a video about their visit to NEVS. A look at the old factory premises and an exciting swing towards the future. The concept of the Sion is different than the conventional electric cars. Is there something about lateral thinking behind the young team that made Saab so interesting? We will see.

Because, in order to remain true to Trollhättan's hope, 10.000 orders are a start. A prelude to a business model that has to be widely accepted for long-term success.

E85 before the comeback?

Another message makes you sit up and take notice. The Greens (Miljöpartiet) propose the promotion of E85. The biofuel was once very popular in Sweden. Saab pioneered this technology with the BioPower Concept. Then, under the pressure of the mineral oil lobby, the production of ethanol in favor of diesel vehicles was tipped. Since then, Miljödieselbilarna has been considered environmentally friendly, which the Greens regard as erroneous with a few years' absence.

Promoted retrofitting of vehicles to E85 could be an effective solution to reducing greenhouse gases. Sustainable as well, because older vehicles would stay attractive longer and in daily use. Moreover, it would be more widely accepted in economically weaker rural areas than penalty taxes on fossil fuels, the Swedish edition of the report says Auto-Motor-Sport.

Years ago, the Swedes planned the production of E85 on a large scale from forestry waste. This never happened, because the promotion of diesel vehicles caused the bioethanol market to collapse. In France today, ethanol is very popular, and a sustainable means for the immediate reduction of greenhouse gases.

In Germany, E85 had been promoted only to 2014, and then effectively withdrawn from circulation through full taxation. A return is not up for debate, instead one puts fully on the electric mobility as a future concept.

26 thoughts too "Sono Motors in Trollhättan"

  • 10. May 2019 at 10: 57 AM
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    Exciting information, but with 10.000 down payments is still a lot of room for improvement. But it should be enough for a start of production. I keep my fingers crossed for Sono.

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  • 10. May 2019 at 12: 23 PM
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    Exciting, indeed! I wish the startup bright heads, electrifying ideas u. successful products!
    The name of the new company fits the Trollhättan plant:
    Before 4 beginning with S, now 4 starting with S! 🙂
    Sunny weekend, sunny times!

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  • 10. May 2019 at 12: 41 PM
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    exciting information. Interesting too, that in the three countries so many pre-orders were made. Maybe one of us here has ordered such an electric car?

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  • 10. May 2019 at 12: 55 PM
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    E85

    Also in D there were sometimes (private) plans to initiate "the production of E85 on a large scale from waste". It's long gone and failed because of political conditions. Against this background, I recently noted with surprise the contribution of the ÖR.

    Because the radio report including interviews reported or had an all-encompassing Finnish producer of biofuels (up to delivered worldwide kerosene) to speak. For the sea and aviation and for the road. Already today, at least partly from waste. The report was thoroughly positive.

    The tenor of the contribution was not so strange because one could objectively have taken offense, but because the same ÖR more or less hailed it - at least accepted it uncritically - had buried this form of waste evaluation in D politically. A lost chance ...

    Even if individual road transport makes the most sense electrically in the future, and if that were indisputable, that would by no means mean that it would not make sense to recycle plant and animal waste, that there would be no meaningful application for biofuels (even if only stationary or for sea and aviation) would give more ...

    If you leave valuable and free resources (agricultural, forestry and animal waste) fallow, this can only mean two things. Either we and this planet are still far too well, or our self-proclaimed elite sees neither problems nor solutions across all parties.

    Let's see when the first German E-frigate sets sail, the first E-government aircraft lifts from BER, if ever opened. Everything is ridiculous. Everything just sad, but unfortunately everything is true ...

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  • 10. May 2019 at 1: 16 PM
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    I would really appreciate Sono Motors bringing new life to Trollhausen. Until 2020 there is a lot of electric car competition by the established. VW has just started the pre-order phase. 30.000 piece of the ID. Whether a startup has a chance there? In any case, they would have to raise their profile even more. Without a blog, Sono and Sion would never be known to me.

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    • 10. May 2019 at 7: 55 PM
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      VW has needed 24 hours for 10.000 pre-orders of ID 3. The onslaught was so huge that the IT infrastructure had problems and some customers needed 2 hours to register. That to the reality.

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    • 12. May 2019 at 9: 32 AM
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      Sono is trying very hard to increase its name recognition. You are traveling by car across Europe and at all fairs.
      I became aware of the Munich before 2 years and ordered a year ago.
      I'm the eight thousand and I'm looking forward to the car, which I was allowed to test drive.

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  • 10. May 2019 at 1: 18 PM
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    The reintroduction of E85 promotion would not be a bad idea as I loved the fragrance. T and also with 2 models can refuel. SONOS is an e-concept that appeals to me more than the rest of the car market. So far, acquaintances with the most diverse e-models have made more bad than good experiences. Except for one, they have landed again at burners or have a second car with classic drive.

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    • 10. May 2019 at 2: 03 PM
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      Still sad the E85 in Germany would be deleted in 2014.
      Since I was always interchangeable with my 9-5 NG Biopower in Europe, it was so easy in Germany, Switzerland and France to refuel E85. Saab was one of the first to offer gasoline and E85 both and it was really cheap. But politicians do not always have a long-term strategy in mind and are often influenced by lobbyists. But I must also say that in Belgium there was no E85 because the different governments can never come to a joint decision :). Hopefully E85 will once again be classed by Europe as a clean alternative.

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  • 10. May 2019 at 4: 36 PM
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    Am I the only skeptic here on the blog? This hyped electromobility, I just do not believe it. Where should all the electricity come from ev. 2-3 million or more El. To fire vehicles? From coal power plants or nuclear power? That would be a violent progress ...... And then the dismantling of raw material and further processing to the finished vehicle. I'm not an expert, but you hear that an El.Auto at least 100000km has to drive to reasonably come in a reasonable energy balance. And then it will probably need a set of new batteries ....
    I stay with my old Saab and drive until it does not work anymore. (or made impossible by politics, which is a very common way to push new sales markets in D!)

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    • 10. May 2019 at 9: 53 PM
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      Hans, I follow you 100%. It is not possible to produce electricity if everyone wants to move forward via electromobility.
      And production of necessary batteries is a costly and environmentally harmful Proccess. Klinken clean but there are many disadvantages, as it is with our cars today. Grass is not always greener to this other side.

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    • 11. May 2019 at 6: 59 PM
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      MILLIONS & BILLIONS

      Incidentally, there are a good 46 million vehicles for D alone, which will be replaced there and in future want to be supplied with electricity, batteries and charging stations.

      It is far from me to correct you in this point in order to contradict you. But on the contrary. What a market. It pays to mention the "push" mentioned by you and diagnosed as popular for D especially.

      It takes 10 12 millions of tons of lithium-ion batteries for D and around 15 millions of private and commercial charging stations. This is big business and gives the finance minister wet dreams at night. And by the way, you also save the world ...

      This is the no-alternative and egg-laying wool-milk-sow. This time she really is. Again ...

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    • 13. May 2019 at 9: 41 AM
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      Maybe a throw-in from science will help:
      The networks in Germany are currently designed for about 6 million e-cars. That can be seen as a critical limit. Since e-cars largely use medium-voltage grids, 6's approval number is ONLY based on these grids. Questions about the stream (where does it come from, what conditions etc) are not there yet.

      A very exciting topic, which could probably be discussed forever!

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      • 13. May 2019 at 11: 27 AM
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        THE NEW ELECTRIC ELEMENT

        There are countless scientifically founded objections to the subject. And yet, all parties carry the electrification not only of private transport as the only solution for (fossil) CO2 saving in front of him, as a crusader the Bible, his sword and the severed head of an unbeliever ...

        It is presupposed in religiously to fanatically simple simplicity that (solar and wind) electricity in the future in any quantity to produce environmentally neutral, store and transport. And not just for the road. Open questions and real problems? Alas, the E-faith and the E-prayer replace the thinking and lead the sword.

        Historically, this has its correspondence in the A-prayers and the A-beliefs of the 1950 and 60ers to atomic energy and its potential uses as a salutary and indefinite. Up to the small reactor in their own car, which then in the future, of course, as Jesus can walk across the water (Hovercraft) ...

        And indeed the dreams are already similar today. Why stay on the ground when the energy costs nothing and is available indefinitely? Then even e-drones can deliver pizza and Amazon orders and even take over urban passenger transport. In other words, the e-believers are dreaming (just like the former A-believers) long ago that they can use more energy in the future instead of less ...

        Exactly that (scientifically founded but completely ignored objections) is it,
        which always drives on the palm. Your e-kingdom come ...

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  • 10. May 2019 at 7: 15 PM
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    The tank-plate conflict over fuel has been offset with ethanol. I think except for E10 there will never be fuels with higher ethanol content in Germany again - too bad! Will probably remain a thing of the Scandinavians forever. One more reason to go on holiday in Sweden.

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    • 10. May 2019 at 8: 30 PM
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      The insanity is that the mixing of the plate into the tank was regulated and ordered by law - at the same time as abolishing the biodiesel and E85 ...

      If people and the environment really wanted to do something good, today we would produce ethanol from waste on a large scale and at home. Instead, the tank-plate conflict lives on, but is now only in the fine print. Who is thinking that Super Plus is E5 or 5% Teller in Diesel?

      We probably never had as many plates in the tank as today. But today, the plate can better swept under the carpet. With the large and illuminated price boards for bio-diesel and E85 refueling that was difficult.

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  • 10. May 2019 at 7: 55 PM
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    PROMOTION?

    Unfortunately, I will not find anything. All articles on Wikipedia on biofuels and their actual or alleged promotion, laws and regulations in D remain vague ...

    What does z. B. "tax-exempt" in the long chain from the producer to the tank and purse of a private end user?

    Was it not true that, in addition to the taxation of producers, distributors and VAT, oil tax on biofuels was eventually due? Could one talk about promotion at all before?

    Anyway, when reading the topic I was unfortunately not smarter, would like to know more exactly, but found a smug and amusing paragraph:

    It was said that a Koenigsegg with E85 in the tank and 1140 PS under the hood would emit less fossil CO2 per Km than an average EV in the German power mix ...

    @ Hans S.,
    No, you are certainly not the only one here who discusses EVs and other aspects
    considers energy and environmental policy to be critical.

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  • 13. May 2019 at 12: 07 PM
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    This commentary also fits the topic of today, the change in the automotive industry.

    There is something I do not understand. Not only that their story is characterized by theft of ideas (eg VW Beetle = Tatra 97), VW seems to have the talent to make otherwise wrong decisions. According to my information, they were or are one of the largest producers of ethanol engines in South America and in Europe directly or indirectly involved in the abolition of E85.

    In the Wikipedia article about "Volkswagen do Brasil" can be found in the history under - 1977: ... start of production of the alcohol engines for the models Sédan 1300, Passat and Brasilia; under - 2003: ... To celebrate the 50 anniversary of Volkswagen do Brasil, the Gol Total Flex will be released. It's the first Brazilian car that can run on any mixture of gasoline and alcohol ... "and on their website you can also find the info for the year 2003" Volkswagen is the first manufacturer in the country to use its fuel-economy flexi-fuel cars - and / or bio-ethanol drive into the program. ". Or see also.

    If you consider that VW has set as a half state company, with lobbyists at every "government corner" in Europe many decades on the diesel card and now demonized him, ... A rogue who thinks evil! And now the strict commitment to battery drive, as desired by the German government, or is it the other way around? Of course, "Alternative", as a well-known German politician used to say!

    I have been driving diesel cars for many years and since then 8 years one of Saab, for me this drive is "Alternative". And I will do that until the evil diesel-powered gasoline engine is finally banned and the diesel sales stopped.

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    • 13. May 2019 at 2: 43 PM
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      Thanks to bio-diesel, their or all diesels had already achieved a market share of 12% more or less CO2-neutral biofuels produced predominantly domestically without tank-plate conflict.

      Then the government of Red-Green switched to GroKo, the ear of oil companies was more open again and all hope and growing market shares were brought to an abrupt end. Domestic producers moved to the Federal Constitutional Court, where they - but the government and ultimately Shell & Co. - subject.

      More or less in order to maintain the appearance of having a heart for the environment, a decentralized and local production and the plate of the citizens in third countries, one prescribed at the same time the admixture of ethanol and bio diesel into the regular substance. But it was left to the mineral oil companies to obtain this admixture on the world market. So also from plantations in the field of illegally cleared forests and in direct competition with food ...

      At least that's what it looks like for me for the time being - as an outrageous scandal. Restrictive, I must add that I do not research exhaustively and even have a number of question marks.

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  • 13. May 2019 at 1: 32 PM
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    Lt. Felix Andlauer, "Product Strategist" at NEVS, says that you do not want to build cars for car fans (at least 3: 53). Well, that fits into the picture, that's exactly how I appreciate the development.

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    • 13. May 2019 at 2: 32 PM
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      Mr. Andlauer definitely seems to lack the enthusiasm for his own product. So you do not get excited about NEVS customers.

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  • 15. May 2019 at 10: 32 AM
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    These are already exciting comments. An opinion that would be majority-capable does not seem to exist. I think the development is exciting and Sono is a new approach and more credible to me than what the big ones are doing. All I have to do is think of Audi's E-Tron Monster. That's hardly sustainable.

    I find that much more sympathetic to the SION. Since he is built in Trollhättan I would be glad if Tom had more to tell about it. Although it may be difficult for him. Tom & electric car?

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    • 17. May 2019 at 10: 44 AM
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      The Sion has already received many sympathies here.
      Not just for the production location. Also for the concept. For example, for integrated solar cells or the good idea of ​​being able to deliver electricity as a mobile PowerPack everywhere and to supply other devices.

      Neither Tom nor the majority of the readers, I guess, would find it difficult to report or welcome good ideas.

      E-mobility does not exist yet. Rather, there is a lot of competition for the future and the right concept. Behind all approaches (lithium-icon battery, fuel cell, e-fuel, BioPower or BioPower hybrids) are still many question marks. Some are more sympathetic, others ("monsters") seem anachronistic again today and stand for an irresponsible use of energy and resources ...

      Well, if you did not scream hurray just because something is electric. "Tom & Electric Car?". I do not see any contradiction here and feel that the topic here is accompanied by Tom and the reader comments adequately and critically. There is no hasty hurray, but no denied climate change. There is intense thought about sustainability and consumption. It seems to me that everything is as good and correct as it can be ...

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