Saab 9000 CD rescue. Technology & Finale. (3)

After Oli had pulled his 9000 CD with a trailer from the yard, he tried among others in Car Archeology, His result was surprising, the past of rolling cultural heritage is well documented. Now the technology is on the list. For old vehicles, with a long service life, there is a simple procedure. One exchanges all liquids and eliminates the obvious defects. And see what happens then.

After the rescue: Note 2 from the appraiser
After the rescue: Note 2 from the appraiser

The Saab garage Detlef Koecke takes care of the technology. It seems unspectacular. A change of all liquids, wear parts; the exhaust is renewed. That's it. The TÜV is the Saab worthy to participate in road traffic again. The badge is issued, and if you wanted, then you would have acquired a good and stylish car for a few years in this way for little money. But Oli is a perfectionist, of course he wants more.

While the TÜV fulfills its sovereign task, it is already at 6: 15 clock in front of the still closed doors of the registration office. After the online appointment agreement could offer a date with 14 days off, it must be a spontaneous appointment on site. 14 days are just too long to wait for a Saab classic. Equipped with documents from our COC archive and of Saab-traveling friends, the CD is to be converted to Euro 2. Despite the 4-gear automatic, this is no problem in the end. The flood of documents and words shows their effect. The sedan is now Euro 2 norm, the tax rate drops from just 300,00 € to only 165,00 €.

Our CD should be more beautiful

TÜV, tax and wish plate are clear. Now it's all about looks and comfort. The little things that do not have to be serious but that add to the fun of the 9000. Oli donated the CD from his collection first a contemporary Grundig radio with cassette section, to a wood dashboard. And he replaced the destroyed rear panel with an original sheet metal part. So that the result is a little more coherent, the Saab gets track plates. Very subtle, with 10 and 20 mm they do not change the driving behavior negatively. The look of the Swedish luxury class now harmonizes better with the standard fender widening, the appearance wins enormously. For the H-mark in a few years, the operation is not a problem, because it can be reversed quickly.

No topic is the rust. The old Saab presents, except for a small spot, completely free of the brown plague. A bump on the rear is also eliminated, minor cosmetic repairs to follow the paint. Then a preservation, so that the state remains as it is.

The result is impressive, which a few days later the reviewer finds. The 9000 CD gets 2019's 2 9.000,00 and a market value of XNUMX € in April. Not bad for a vehicle that, in a sad state, had to wait an eternity for a buyer. Now he parks, with another nice CD from Oli's collection, safely in an underground car park.

Epilogue

The Saab 9000 CD is a vehicle that has been ignored by Saab fans for years. Not justified, because the CD is objectively the much better CS. He is the true, comfortable S-class from Sweden. Because its noise level in the interior is much lower than the hatchback. But the Saab fans and the author are no exception, just love their Schräghecks hot and heartfelt.

Times are changing, the 9000 CD is finally experiencing the appreciation it deserves. After the first part of the rescue trilogy went online, a reader came in to restore a CD. Then an editor of a car newspaper, which also brings in the Hamburg environment a CD back on the road. He has been in contact with Oli ever since.

A few weeks later, at 4. Hamburger Saab meeting at Brandshof, the CD is in the majority. More 9k sedans than sloped tail. That gives hope for the future.

36 thoughts too "Saab 9000 CD rescue. Technology & Finale. (3)"

  • nice if you have a 9000CD in the garage, even better if you have two 9000CD.

    If you never have to transport anything, or next to a practical CS or Combi has, then the CD is the comfort for long distances.

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    • Also in terms of transport, the CD is not bad. As long as you do not have to transport anything long, fits into the sedan -that longer tail quite a lot! Can absolutely recommend the CD!

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  • Great story! Do you still get the wood decors for the dashboard bought? Also for example for 902 and 931?

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    • Barely new, SAAB dealers have something in stock. I recommend the well-known portals where there are lots of choices from slaughter.

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  • Great action, great result, great writing and a fantastic increase in value - or seems to me that the value was actually already there for the most part and only had to be worked out and plastered. A car that has earned it without any doubt, may live long! 🙂 Big thanks for Oli and Tom! A (probably stupid) question: Why do you need such a valuation report, if you do not want to sell? Just nice to have? As confirmation for the good purchase? Or for the insurance? Is that only useful for Youngtimern or even newer Saabs?

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    • For many classic insurances, valuations are a prerequisite. Oli insures his vehicles over such. It is recommended in principle to have a valuation made. In the case of theft or accident you can prove the (usually good) condition.

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      • Thanks for the very interesting info! Will I even have beauties made by my 2011ers just in case, I suppose, with Dekra or something, or is there better for Saab?

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        • For a rare 2011er year it is definitely worth it! I commissioned both Dekra and independent experts. I could not find any differences, but the appraiser should be a bit exotic.

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          • In this case, the reviewer was extremely exotic ...

          • I do not think so. The Anna project has been rated 3 + and 7,200 €, which is now several years ago. Since the rating of the CD fits in well.

          • Great, thanks, I do! Valuable info! Then I'll introduce my two 2011ers there. 🙂 Perhaps I could, in order to find a Exoten-affine appraiser, somehow make contact with Oli or otherwise learn the reviewer of the 9000er? 🙂 I'm also in HH.

            Thank you for the great blog, countless valuable, practical and daily relevant information and the best (and at the same time most meaningful) reading that I know to distract from the work! 😉

          • I like to contact Oli. You can send me your contact details, I will forward them by e-mail.

          • Without wanting to talk small about the value of a 9k, I also consider this amount to be sporty. You might also have to clarify whether you see this as a replacement value or market value in the sense of a price that can be achieved on the market. The CD as a non-turbo is virtually the niche in the niche in the Saabuniversum. The circle of interested parties is already very small. Sure, it only takes one buyer to get the 9000 € or 7300 €. As a comparison of a real sale, I can take a late Aero that was certainly one of the best 9k aeros in Germany (is now abroad). The brought about six months ago no 10k € as far as I remember. (Report was above 12000 €)
            In Holland, since the beginning of May, according to description and pictures, a comparable CD is offered for sale. Same engine. Run a little more (150000km) but technically top, much invested. Price is at 5950 €.
            https://www.marktplaats.nl/a/auto-s/oldtimers/m1407959508-saab-9000-2-3-16-cd-griffin.html?c=a2384ef0ece270f44503df9f8598c624&previousPage=lr

            In general, it can be said that above 5000 € 9k the circle of prospects and the real! Offer is getting thin. The majority of such vehicles change hands anyway "under the hand" between enthusiasts, if it concerns exactly the total package, which one has long been looking for.
            Regardless, I grant everyone such a good report, which also does the market value of all other vehicles of the brand good. Without an opinion, it is already hard enough to be compensated in an accident with an (older) Saab.

          • @ Daniel

            An appraisal of value is similar to the real market value as the manufacturer's EIA for a new car at the price of an annual car or even a two- or three-year car.

            Appraisals are usually created for cars that have just been created by hand. So also in the case of this CD. So for cars with fresh MOT, new tires and who knows what else ...

            If these vehicles go on sale, the seller likes to refer to the last but usually years old appraisal report. This does not mean that the valuation report was invalid at the time of its creation.

            It is much more so that the inspected vehicles rarely to never immediately after the preparation of the report are offered for sale. There are the same discrepancies that exist between EIAs and younger used cars.

          • Hi Daniel!
            Basically, I agree with you. An 9000 CD as a sucker is "actually" the last thing you would classify as a high-priced Saab classic - or you have to ask yourself whether such a price is even approximately justified.
            I clearly say yes! And not because it happens to be about my car.
            Because they hardly exist anymore, the good and unused copies. Well equipped, with little KM from the first (or collectors) hand, with a comprehensible history.
            The 9000 had so far no real collector or lover status and was scrubbed in the past often mercilessly in the everyday life. Service only, if it was absolutely necessary. Maintenance and maintenance jams are the rule rather than the exception.

            And now?
            Many have simply disappeared from the scene. There are still a few babies in their slumber in the portals, who only have to be discovered - and saved.

            But who does that?
            Hardly anyone has the 9000 as an object of desire on the screen. Especially not if it is a Brot & Butter copy or it does not have a turbo.

            And who has the courage?
            The majority of the offers are just vehicles in which you have to invest properly again. Even supposed pearls lurk with (for normal Saab lovers) unpredictable risks. What if the airbag light is on? He consumes cooling water while driving? The chassis rumbles? When Check Engine is lit? What about the DI cassette? The air conditioning? The brakes? Why is the cruise control not working? The seat heating? Who wants to buy the cat in a sack and with bad luck also a lot of money to fix it, so that the new acquisition is just technically reasonably okay (the optical we still do without).
            Then you have a car that has finally become quite expensive - but nobody else is interested because it is far from near perfect condition. And even if it were him - it's just a Saab 9000 - probably also a boring sucker ...

            Until that acceptance and appreciation changes (which fortunately is slowly the case), such "projects" will only tackle passionate people who are in a position to solve such problems. Detached from all reason or financial point of view.

            As an example:
            Even the in the article shown in the photo and today almost perfect retiree car with the license plate 5111 was at purchase a sad sight at first sight.
            It stood on steel wheels, the paint was dull, some lighting parts were broken, here and there scuffs. Damage (despite - or just because of the low mileage of only 51.000km) such as head gasket, exhaust, tires, etc. were mandatory.
            Offer price (not negotiable!): 3.750 Euro
            Location: Mannheim.
            Hometown of the interested party (ie mine): Hamburg.

            But the effort and the cost of not even looking at the cheap car, you should not have actually done it. I listened to my gut feeling and did it. Booked a one-way ticket, got me temporary license plates and sat south in the morning at 5 clock in the ICE. In the hope of not having to return to HH by train in the evening ...

            To make it short: I did not have to. I took him. And that although at first glance it was clear that here several thousand will flow into it to substantiate the actually good basic condition.
            Then there was the renewal of various parts and the addition of equipment. Not because it was necessary, just because I wanted it that way.
            The result was so expensive bought - but it convinced. At the last Saab meeting in Hamburg on the Oldie-Tanke, several people were able to convince themselves of the condition. But that can not be experienced with pictures or descriptions. Reinsetzen see, feel, smell. And you know what the decisive and value-enhancing difference is.

            I noticed something interesting: It did not matter at the moment that it was not a turbo (which of course you would have found even better). Such a car in the state is almost unique today and that convinces. Also as a sucker, as a cruiser.

            And: Since two 9000 CDs are actually one too many in the collection (here in HH it is not so easy with the garages), I had offered the car for a price just under five digits. There were several interested in the car. In the end, he was actually sold. The desired price was achieved with minimal discount and paid with pleasure. In response came the words: "he is worth it ..."
            Now another collector is happy about a nearly perfect and not boring Saab 9000 CD 2,3i
            And I am glad that he has gone into good hands. At a price that both parties consider realistic and acceptable.
            So 9000 is also higher priced.

            Example two: We recently exhibited the green 9000 CD from the article as a non-salable exhibit on our Scandinavian stand at the Klassikertage Neumünster. The response was surprisingly high, because it was not the 5-door, but the elegant sedan. Various purchase requests were loud. In conversation, the prospects were told what such a car would cost. Again, no twitching, as the price in the high four-digit range was called. On the contrary, the interested parties were able to experience the exceptionally good state live and asked stubbornly whether they would not want to separate themselves from the 9000.
            Man (n) did not want to! 😉

            I do not want to keep the pink glasses in terms of "the 9000 and its value" on the nose at all costs. But he comes, the 9000. The fact is that there are plenty of cars that are not bad - but still have a longer and more costly way to be rated higher. The last 10-15% to make a car really good are the hardest. But if this is almost done, then an independent appraiser will also recognize and consider this - and place it in terms of value clearly above the standard list. There are factors that influence value that justify it. It must be said, that it makes sense, if a reviewer is Saab-affine and knows about the vehicles. But an appraisal should never be sought. That brings nothing to anyone and would probably not be resilient in case of doubt.

            What a prospective buyer should consider:
            In the offers on the online portals (no matter which vehicle or model), all information is relative. Text and images can show only limited, what actually expected and how good or not good a car really is. You have to see such a car live. Experience is important and helps to assess much better. But ultimately can not ensure that in the end not lingering high investments ... But of course there are really good or worthwhile cars. You just have to have the right mix of courage and reason to dare.

            For me Saab is hobby and passion. And so, despite all my experience, I am also willing to take risks to a certain extent. So far, I have been lucky and almost all of my achievements have not turned out to be endless groschgräber. In the end, they were not all that cheap - and for me personally, the word "cheap" fits better.

            By the way: The 9000 CD from the ad mentioned by you (Daniel) is a good example. He would look promising to me - but there are some things that make one look up and ask for a closer look / ask. It can be one of those pearls. To sell such a car in the price range online is difficult. This can only work if more (many) pictures - also of details and close-ups - and detailed information reveal even more about the car. Or a prospective not far away lives and has the chance to inspect the car in the original. For me, I would just go there again. Luckily it's too far ... 😉

  • PS: Very interesting, for me new info with the noise in comparison to the hatchback! Unfortunately, I have never had the pleasure of sitting in an 9000. 🙁

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  • SUNDAY MONDAY

    Yesterday something and today again. The blog is really becoming more and more of the SAABES DAY press ...
    Congratulations to Oli for the beautiful CD, the appraisal and TÜV.

    I do not know if you should compare CD and CS with each other today, weigh up advantages and disadvantages. That the CD in the scene comes up and wins on presence, can also be because the once so popular CS with his variable and generous cargo space was simply harder ripped off and more worn that he is in good shape not more or only the highest is found.

    In any case, conditions have changed significantly since both were newly available with identical life expectancy and in the same new condition as an alternative to each other. Motor-journalistic criteria and purchase recommendations of the 1990er for the better 9K have not been around for a long time.

    The topic track plates is interesting. I assume 10 mm right and 20 mm left 😉 ...
    So you could get closer to the curb without shredding its rims. Nonsense, I suspect 20 in the back and 10 mm in the front. Is that right or is it the other way around and why?

    How has the behavior of the 9K changed or improved? Are there any impressions and first experiences?

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  • SLEEPING BEAUTY SLEEP

    seems to me the right name: A beauty who has slumbered for a long time behind a haunted appearance! Thanks also to the dealer, who believed in the beauty and left it for so long to sell for under 2.000 Euro, rather than scrapping or slaughtering it.

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    • True, the used car dealers often lose patience, or need the space and then pass the Saabs somewhere and then you can not save them. Some cars are sometimes almost a year at dealers and then it is understandable from a dealer's perspective, if he gives the car.

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      • In this case, the dealer had a good relationship with the previous owner or contact with his heirs. And he had the car in service for years. In addition, there is a certain affinity to Saab.
        Of course, the 9000 was constantly in the way on the very small yard. But he did not have the heart to sell the car as a battle object or to bring it to the recycler.
        He was noticeably happy that he was getting into good hands and someone was trying to save him. Have today contact with the dealer and will soon proudly present the final result.

        A word more, why a dealer such a car rather repels favorable than to prepare him to then possibly sell it a bit more expensive. Because you might be surprised, why such a "good" car first hand with a few km and great equipment is offered so cheap.

        In the case of 9000 there were deficiencies of unknown cause and incalculable repair costs.
        Example airbag light: This can be a trifle like an erasable fault or a loose plug - but also something critical such as control unit, steering wheel coil or sensors.
        Simply reading out and deleting the error codes would mean a considerable effort for a company that does not specialize in Saab. Not to mention the later necessary repair.
        Similarly, a non-functioning air conditioning. Again, a refill could be enough - but more expensive repairs such as coolers, evaporators or compressors may be needed.

        Even the troubleshooting would have devoured a lot of working time and money. In addition there would be spare parts and working hours. Then a few cosmetic repairs, the elimination of the bump ...
        Unfortunately, such a Saab would still not have been worth much more on the market and also as a sucker even hard to sell.
        From an economic point of view, a refurbishment and repair would have made no sense for the dealer.

        Finally, one can be really happy that the dealer had so much patience and did not give up the hope that a lover will find. At any rate, I am very grateful that in this way a really good car has been preserved. Because the next (end) station would probably have been the validator ...

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  • as an Austrian here looks envious to Germany. 165 € car tax is very cheap

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  • Hello!

    First of thanks to Tom for the great trilogy and the encouragement within the comments on my somewhat borderline project!

    I have to admit that I really disdained the 9000 for many years. The last, with which I was very happy (a CD as 2,3 TurboS, at that time provided by G & W Motorsport with neat extra performance), I went to 1999 and then switched to the 9-5 station wagon. What was a real disappointment in the beginning. The first orderable station wagon was missing at the factory from Saab-Feeling. It only existed as a tired soft turbo with a choppy landing gear. Only the place (and a few deer upgrades) justified that he was allowed to stay at that time ...
    Since the release of the 9000, my heart beat more for the classic 900.

    I have not had the 9000 for a long time.
    Until I was allowed to drive it again a couple of years ago. I almost had a serious relapse and went in search of a beautiful specimen. I found one (the license plate number 5111 on the photo above). Only 53 tkm run, pensioner's hand, never winter - and up, down, inside and out in the pro-annual car condition (but that's another story).
    Since my relapse the 9000 is the perfect travel car. I love to drive him! So much car for (in proportion) as little money, as it offers a good 9000, probably looking for its kind.
    But that I take a second to it ... Well, how it came to that, Tom has meticulously described here 😉

    @ Herbert
    The track plates are distributed as follows:
    Front 10 mm per side, rear 20 mm per side.
    That sounds drastic. But with the 6 × 15 original rims and the wide wheel arches, the 9000 looked strange to me.

    The action was primarily a visual improvement. The Fahrverhakten has neither noticeably deteriorated, nor improved. One should pay attention only to an optimally balanced wheel, because an imbalance shows more effect here.

    And: On our first trip in Sweden with a lot of luggage and Saab parts in the trunk (ie high load), I have observed that the tire at the back inside touches the Radbogenleiste very easily on strong bumps. Of course this is not alright and I still have to check what exactly that is - and whether it should be shut down. Probably 15mm are the royal road on each side.

    The blessing of the TÜV one would have to catch up by the way. Because I have not been able to find track plates with an ABE for Saab in the desired strength.

    Greetings, Olli

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  • STIMMIG

    Great story and pictures. Can one consume several times. Since someone has a lucky touch and this SAAB is really in good hands. Every handle sits. The stern, to track plates *, the radio and the wood. Great result.

    And this scarab green. A SAAB 9000 can not be more conservative than this CD. He embodies the assault of modern Swedish technology and Swedish designs on the S-Class like no other. SAAB itself overwrites this in a prospectus for 9000 and next to a picture of the fittings with wood decor so:

    "If you feel good, you're better off."

    * Speaking of track plates, I'm still interested in what experiences there are beyond the optics and where the 10 and where the 20 mm and why.

    Incidentally, think and hope that Oli does not have to undo the surgery for the H. Any form of tuning that was already available and TÜV-compliant at the time of EZ is also allowed on classic cars. And track plates are not a newborn ...

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    • Hello Herbert!
      Look at a post above. Since I had you answered, how it is with the plates behaves.

      Because of H-mark: Since this is the only change to the then possible series condition - and the plates are removable in a few minutes, this should not be a hurdle.

      The question is whether you should do a H-mark. I still do not see any real meaning and profit in the "modern" Euro-2 cars. The tax is more expensive with "H" (192 Euro) you have to return to the Tourist Office (which is the maximum penalty at least here in HH ;-))

      Although it is of course appealing, as you give an even clearer statement with "H". Although maintenance and usage behavior would change that in my case. My sweethearts are and remain fair weather cars and are not consumed in everyday life. And care thrives anyway in the (healthy) excess. 🙂

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      • Hello Olli,

        yes, we had overlapped and I'm smarter now in terms of records. Thank you very much for your AW.
        In the H, the things should in my opinion go through with ease and must not be dismantled - as soon as the strength is right and the wheels no longer grind 😉

        And with the H-costs, you should not forget the H-insurance. I pay for my vintage only 88, - € anno in the motor vehicle liability ...

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        • Hi Herbert!
          Yes, that's right with the insurance. Where I have a special collection rate (liability with full insurance), which makes no difference between "H" or Normal 😉
          The "bad thing" with such a tariff is only that the insurance costs are now no real hurdle when it comes to the decision of a new acquisition ...

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          • Collection rate?

            I did not know that yet, but sounds attractive and I'll make me smart ...
            If this leads to more cars and a Ehekrach, I will refer my wife to a unknown Hanseatic 😉

            Until then (until my wife locates you), I wish a happy knack for and lots of fun with all the new acquisitions.

          • Haha, well ... now I have to fear not only my wife, but also your 😉
            In terms of insurance you can like to send via Tom your contact information to me.
            Because in order to make everything even more delicious, there are discounts for Saab drivers in the aforementioned collection tariff ...
            (No, I'm NOT an insurance broker !!! Only Saabfahrer passionate)

  • I would be interested to know how older Saab is received by the population?
    Is there anyone here who uses his classic Saab as a daily driver for work?
    How is the customer, if you do not use any of the common models of the well-known German manufacturers but vorfahren in neat 9k, 902 or 903?
    I'm just thinking about getting an 902 and would use it to drive up to my clients on a daily basis ...

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      • ... is also my experience:
        With a well-kept Saab you are always well dressed.
        You can be seen in all circles and layers and do not fear envy or pity.

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    • So specific are not my experiences that I could explicitly refer to an 9K or an 900 ...

      What I can say is that in principle it is not objectionable to drive a car to a customer whose acquisition or time value you can locate below the management boards. Problems are more likely, if it is the other way around ...

      Furthermore, I have experienced that the exotic and vintage cars will be granted a certain bonus. And in both directions.
      That is to say, that one can drive up even with the cheapest car and may, without being laughed at, without discrediting oneself, if at the cart something is special. It should also mean that conversely, but also with a valuable car should drive up, if it is just old and / or exotic enough.

      I guess that there is currently no single SAAB, with which one should not drive or should ...

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    • I drive just such a "boring" 9000 CD with the 2.3i sucker machine. As Olli already mentioned, you are really well dressed with the car. Now drive the SAAB just under 60.000 Km as a Daily Driver and the acceptance / respect is actually growing day by day. Whether with friends or in traffic, with a SAAB you never do anything wrong. On the contrary, one is often addressed to the car, so has already the appropriate small-talk topic.

      Only in the company I collect (still) partly tough slogans. Since the SAAB but so far is the only car that is really always running, I book the garage visits of colleagues under Karma 😉 But also since all colleagues know the car, and can order that or know mostly all the car but not the holder , A SAAB on the company parking lot is once again something quite different than the x-Golf or Skoda / Volvo.

      I can not and do not want to give away 9000 as a Daily Driver anymore. Too bad that you almost never see the 9k in everyday life anymore ..

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      • I feel such a nice old car as a statement to all the insane changes around the topic of modern-day automobiles. I also like old Saab best ...

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      • 2.3

        I know that from the CS and was at that time several 1.000 Km so usually very quickly on the way. I never felt underpowered with it. Neither on the BAB, nor when overtaking on rural roads. Not even in the UK, where overtaking is particularly exciting with a left-hand drive ...

        If you buy an 9K today or any other SAAB, you better look at mileage and condition, than turbos and engine data.

        Until one finds a SAAB, which today it would be difficult to swim in the traffic, one would have to leaf back in the history and model history very far.

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        • Have also just two 902 in focus - even 2.3i!

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