Enough is enough. But when? Continuation.

Many of our readers have been connected to the blog for a long time. Matthias from Switzerland had 2017 published an unvarnished article about his Saab passion. Meanwhile, he seems to have reached a pain threshold, because we received in April another, alarming mail. And because we know that some Saab drivers are struggling with similar issues, we're releasing them as a continuation of his first article.

Saab 9-5 Aero
Saab 9-5 Aero

Enough is enough. Now really?

"Hey folks, in August 2017, I wrote an article here that read like this:"Enough is enough. But when?"Back then, I talked about the costs I've had over the last few years with my 9-5 Aero estate car. When is it enough? When did you spend enough money to keep a Saab alive?

Now the moment seems to have come. I just opened the carpener, which should cost the elimination of the brown plague for my station wagon. My beloved station wagon should only for the repair of the right fender (rust) in the plumber.

Unfortunately, under the various plastic covers in the two rear wheel arches came much more rust than thought. The costs are estimated by the Plenglerei with 8.000 - to 10.000 - CHF for both wheel arches and fenders. Surely that would also be cheaper. But would the quality be the same? Even abroad, it would certainly be cheaper. Maybe it would be cheaper if I could do it myself, but my ability is limited and my skills in welding but very modest.

Is the rust the end for the 9-5?

As it now looks, I have to separate from my car, because so much money, I would love to invest for my station wagon no more.

It would turn my heart, if he landed at the car recycler. Because, technically the car is in very good condition. Despite his 250.000 km. Much has been done and replaced in recent years. He runs like a clockwork. All repair receipts of the years 2012 (purchase from 2., Hand) until today are present. So a complete history sometimes even beyond the year 2012 addition.

Every year a service was provided by me (car mechanic or mechatronics engineer). At least oil with filter and every two years also candles, gasoline filters and more. For the repairs, we went to a garage of trust. The last repair involved the SID2 display. For whole 285.- CHF, the display and the "transfer foil" were exchanged. Everything with a guarantee.

Here are the data for the car and a list of repairs from recent years:

9 5, approx. 2.3 km, color gray metallic, inside black / gray leather, automatic with almost complete full equipment. (Ventilated seats and sunroof missing). Some scratches and small dents on the doors.

Repairs performed:

- 2019 = SID2 repaired (Specialized Company, Auto Meter)
- 2018 = front wheel bearing left replaced, speed sensor replaced, service with inside air filter and spark plug
- 2017 = crankshaft seal, oil rod seal, service with fuel filter, new catalyst, new battery with new battery terminals.
- 2016 = Exhaust silencer new, various engine breather hose, cylinder head gasket, valve cover gasket, oil pressure switch, ignition cartridge, service, main light relay.
- 2015 = LED strip replaced third brake light, new alternator, fog lights left, new fuel pump, front brake discs new (slotted with CH certificate), service with spark plugs, water pump, both rear axle replaced.

Everything provable and much more. To be had is the car with original Saab 16 light alloy wheels with winter rubbers. The car is redeemed until the end of May. Ready to drive anyway.

I am very reluctant to part with these great cars. But I can not keep or even fix it. Unfortunately. I would be very happy if he could still get a seat or at least serve as a spare parts donor.

The final end of the passion?

The mail ends with a price idea and the question of whether we know a good place for the Saab. The pictures show rust on the 9-5 Aero, the price for his rescue is at no cost at the time value. Matthias seems to have finished with his Saab and is already looking for a replacement.

The end of a story that 2017 appeared on the blog? Maybe, because in May we will receive another, long email from Matthias. There is a decision. And that follows next Sunday.


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28 thoughts too "Enough is enough. But when? Continuation."

  • Ojemine ...

    I'm curious now like a bow for the next Sunday.

    Is the supply of repair panels and body parts really so catastrophic that you have to rebuild everything individually and for expensive money or could only obtain from the scrap?

    That would be sad. Such a beautiful, otherwise well-groomed and still young car ...

    Sad, sad, sad. Ojemine ...

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  • The rust is a problem of 9-5. But it gives us manufacturers that repair for a lower cost. With the SAAB Hobby Club we helped several drivers to the Netherlands. Repair and drive on again, because it is easy to repair and not so much cost, but I am not aware of the Swiss Preisverhaltnisse. Good luck!

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  • While reading the first article, I noticed that the owner regularly invests in the SAAB. Nevertheless, the question arises to me why the rust could spread so? Had Matthias no view, was the problem put on the back burner?

    Or are the winters so hard, so full of road salt in Switzerland?

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  • I am also a little scared that the car could be so heavily attacked by the rust, if the vehicle has otherwise received much care. I think that the subject of rust is generally not taken so seriously by workshops or not enough attention is given as perhaps necessary to avoid such cases. As a non-screwdriver, I myself can hardly look under sills, and disguises.

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    • Well said.

      Even the eaten wheel well will probably have dissolved from the inside and face down. The other documented locations are not accessible to nonswipers anyway. The theme obviously needs more awareness and attention from the workshops.

      I hope they read this and internalize your comment.

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      • The rust on the wheel arch can be seen quite well in the initial stage and treated accordingly. The car is simply not maintained, but totally rotten !!!
        You should wash a car regularly, especially in winter. The best still some Ballistol into the wash water. Grow the car paint twice a year.
        Underbody protection wax and fluid film in the cavities additionally acts against rust.
        My 9-5 2001 is fine and oil change gets my all 5000 -7000 km
        The leather seats are treated every two weeks with Sonax wipes.
        By the way, whoever skims his car by hand can immediately recognize rust.

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        • Not a fair comment.

          Most people do not want to see this until ...

          Older 9000's (front wings), some problems, seems to be getting rid of the liner, problems start, maybe not refitting / sealing properly ??.

          In the UK, \ za good active sire on facebook is: https://www.facebook.com/groups/Saab9.5/

          I have this problem on there, search for it .........

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        • The rust shown here has absolutely nothing to do with the car being washed too little. Just as little does a waxed paint help against rust. The rose eats itself from within to the outside.

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          • Especially in winter you should wash the car more often ...... so that the road salt is removed.
            Anyone who regularly waxes their car paint will immediately discover the smallest rust spots. And then you can take countermeasures. Take out inside fender and remove sill panel.

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          • @ capri 73

            They continue to insist at the expense of the author.
            As Terry Hawkins wrote earlier, not fair at all ...

            And you still do not seem to understand the problem. If you remove the "inside fenders and the threshold trim" only after you have discovered rust (during high-frequency washing and waxing) outside, the wheel arch has long been rotted from the inside. That's what the article is all about ...

            In this respect, your reference to engine oil or leather care is firstly OT and secondly infamous. They suggest to the author, his SAAB is completely and completely neglected, this is (quote) "totally rotten !!!".

            Quote Hawkins: "Not a fair comment."

            Nevertheless, I hope that your SAAB is indeed rust-free and I wish you a pleasant journey and a lot of fun at all times.

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      • @ Herbert Hürsch
        They hope that my Saab is stainless ... my Saab got the 2 grade from Classis Data, and has run 2001km from 212000.
        For me, vehicle care looks a little different.

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        • Yes, I really hope that your SAAB is completely rustproof everywhere and also in inaccessible places. Every cavity, every push, every weld, every fold, every thread. That would be great.

          And I wish you a good journey and a lot of fun at all times. That's very solid and nice. Where is the problem?

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          • Dear Mr. Hürsch, I hope to meet you personally at a Saab meeting. Then you can personally convince yourself about the condition of my vehicle.
            Incidentally, my Saab was today for rust control in the workshop. Rear inner fenders out, everything controlled and post-sealed. Everything perfect ! I do it every two years ... ..the last time 2017.
            That's car care.
            Of course I wish you a good trip or a trip in your Saab. As far as I know, you also drive a 9-5.

          • Dear Mr. capri 73,

            but I have no doubt that your car is well maintained. I never had ...
            And yet, you have this impressively across multiple comments across comprehensively presented.
            For the interior, the drive technology, the body and incl. Note ...

            We talk past each other. Unfair was your first comment not because you might have a crumb of rust on the car, but because you make the author of the reader's contribution and his car ("totally screwed up !!!") go crazy.

            This reader's article is about a learning curve in 9-5 and benefits all readers who have not yet been sufficiently aware of its problem areas. In this sense, your comments are enlightening and your care tips constructive.

            It is just a shame (and also unfair) that you ride on your knowledge and your own car like on a warhorse an attack against the author (and against all who join him) and make devastating judgments.
            This gives your valuable tips and valid thoughts a bitter aftertaste.
            The sound makes the music. They were out of stock. Come on.

            I would like to read a reader contribution from you on the subject of care and preparedness. Their knowledge and experience can help many, and are far too valuable to be scattered across comments and possibly drowned out in a dispute.

            In any case, I have learned through the contribution of the author and your comments.
            Many thanks to Matthias and to you.

  • There are in Bad Dürkheim a very good body shop which also makes affordable deals. There are also restored vintage cars and various parts made themselves. Can only recommend this address.
    I am even a car champion with many years of Saab experience. Drive already the 9.Saab and Can not imagine any other brand in my garage.
    Automobile connoisseurs
    67098 Bad Durkheim
    Bruchstr.53
    06322-61267

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  • It looks like those are the places where the body panel is double or on edges with a plastic cover in which the water is held with dirt.
    Something was saved in the construction and painting.
    That's not typical of Saab either
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    • It is typical of the 90 years. Both 9-5 I and 900 II and 9-3 I were built with stacked sheets. So they have a constructive vulnerability in which even the best rust protection no longer attacks. Because the vehicles are now in an age where you have to keep an eye on it. And if necessary act - or continue to the bitter end.

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  • The pictures also scared me a little bit. But does not seem to be a general problem with the 9-5, or are there possibly particularly critical years of construction? My previous models (year 00, 01 and 04) were always inconspicuous.
    The notified repair costs are probably more Switzerland-style and beyond the borders determined to have much cheaper. But I can understand that at some point the (financial) pain threshold is reached. I'm curious how it goes ... ..

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  • If the Saab was in service every year, it would have to be seen by a Saab partner. The rust at this point is known to every Saab insider and if you do something every year then the rust at this and other place has no chance , I had on my Saab 9-5 MY01 with now 285'000km exactly the same, in addition just let the well-known rust spots on the underbody at the Saab service partner done, then it went successfully with the MFK (TÜV). The whole thing with the rust has cost me money, but with CHF 700.- about € 625 detulich cheaper than the offer of plumber. The wing parts on the left and on the right side are available at the Saab service partner in the CH for CHF 380.- each, so you can get the whole sheet / side part from the Orio, the Saab original spare parts supplier, for little money. Most Saab dealers may then simply cut out the corner that they need to repair it to keep their costs as low as possible to get the repair done faster. Otherwise Matthias would like to be contacted by email daniel.blaesi@orio.com or by phone + 41 78 745 4466 available.

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  • I have actually reached the point on my 93I Bj.98. In the last 10 years, he was completely repaired once and despite now 312000 Km, he is still very nice. But the topic of rust is not to be discussed away anymore and after 3 years ago I took the right amount of money for this, the selfsame dilemma shows up again in the same places. If I had a Viggen might look different, but in fact my 131 PS derivative is worth nothing more .. So I accept it now and will continue to drive him until the rust separates us ..

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  • Hello people, Thank you for your encouragement. You can really be curious how it goes on. So much to say, there is a happy ending.
    Short to the rust:
    True, I underestimated the subject matter a bit. Also because I have some technical problems and asked the view was not necessarily the rust. On top of that, the 9-5er has hidden rust traps in many areas, straight tail. Since only the plastic shuttering in the fender is mentioned, you have to take away to find the rust. The fender tips rust from you to the outside. It's like an iceberg. If you see him, that means you see the first pimples, the rust is already behind. Other places were hidden under an undefined goo.
    What all have is the strong air rest over the entire Chassie. Have not seen anyone who has not.
    Prices:
    for all who have never been to Switzerland or living. Unfortunately, Switzerland is very expensive in certain ways. Everybody wants to earn well. That's a spiral. Example: We have brand promotions (Volvo) who have an hourly rate of 185.- sFr!
    The plumber who made me the first offer, at least knew nothing of repair panels for this model and wanted to suggest a luxury repair, but in which he had to say himself that this is no longer reindeer.
    How good that there are other lancers. In the second part then more.

    Matthias

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  • My wife also drives a 9-5 station wagon. This year, the repair cost a little more than CHF 4'000.00. Some rusty spots had to be welded, but never to the extent of yours, Matthias. Now the whole chassis and the brake system is renewed. The subfloor is rebuilt and the new sealed against rust and the cavity protection was renewed. The vehicle was presented to the Swiss authorities without any problems. And that is not so easy anymore, because even here, even after years, a "new vehicle" is expected. Unfortunately, there is also a tendency that the average vehicle age should not exceed 10 years and it will be scrutinized.

    For us, there was no question about upgrading the 9-5 because the other costs are limited. Also, the fuel consumption is around with 8 - 9 liters in the frame. With the shortened oil change around the 10'000 km and the automatic transmission oil flushing all 60'000 also the machine switches at now almost 300 'km always like the new car.

    In addition, the seats as well as the air conditioning are perfect. The car is practical, even as a bigger driver you have a lot of leg room. In today's cars you have significantly less space. And also the comfort of driving is good and what you really need, the car has installed and works.

    Overall, we drive 8 saws. Of which the Turbo X and 9-5 mainly deny everyday life. Thanks to my work, I see the maintenance costs of VW, Audi, Porsche and others. Also Korean or Japanese car brands are high in maintenance. Add to that the depreciation, which in turn is higher for the cheaper brands, the leaf turns clearly to our concept. And I think that this is also sustainable regarding the environment.

    Important is just that the vehicles are maintained and just the rust protection is made. The 900 convertible from 1990 got an anticorrosive treatment from 13 years ago at Timemax in Hamburg. This has proven very successful. In the next few years, all vehicles will be treated with TImemax rust protection.

    Therefore, keep your staff and nourish and enjoy as long as you can.

    Greetings from Switzerland

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    • Very good comment! I mean yes, for good care is a precaution! Cavity sealing and underbody wax is not that expensive and saves expensive follow-up costs.
      Repairing a car when it is broken does not belong to my care! If water pump, clutch or etc. is broken you have to repair!
      Incidentally, who can change summer and winter tires in the workshop, just look under the car, mobile phone has today but everyone and if the workshop says they should just spray a can of wax for 10 € under the car ... .. should not be a problem ,

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  • Old hat and typical vulnerability in the 9-5. Just remove the sill trim and the inner fender. Since many will experience their blue wonder.

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  • I have deep respect for anyone who invests so much in his aged and daily Saab. I myself was not ready for it. The diesel issue and the many miles covered each year have sealed the decision to divorce. I invested the proceeds of sale in a 9-3I convertible with seasonal license plates. I'm glad and grateful to have this opportunity.

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