Where are the alternatives to Saab?

Saab drivers are very loyal to their brand. Of course, more than 8 years without new cars leave their mark. More and more often the Saab becomes a second car and a hobby. The question arises as to which brands Saab drivers change if they do.

Saab 9-5 Aero model year 2005. What else parks outside the front door. Are there any alternatives to Saab?
Saab 9-5 Aero model year 2005. What else parks outside the front door. Are there any alternatives to Saab?

The first wave of emigration already started 2011 and 2012. Not in the direction of Volvo, as you might think. The company car drivers switched to Audi and BMW and only a few to the Gothenburg brand. In the meantime, some 3 leasing cycles have passed, and the question arises as to who drives only Saab from our readers, who does not, and what other brands are preferred.

From conversations with former Saab drivers no trend can be deduced. They are still connected to the small brand from Trollhättan and read the blog. But the vehicles they drive are very different. One drives a Skoda, the other a Korean hybrid, another another has a long-cherished dream with an 911.

Besides, there are the returnees. After a longer Saab break, it goes on, and it pulls again a vehicle with the griffin in the domestic carport. Especially because it fits in with life now. Because you changed your job, got a company car, or because you retired.

Our survey is a bit more extensive for the first time. Because even visitors read the blog that have nothing to do with Saab, or are only now interested in the brand. We want to get to know the readers even better in order to be able to better classify their automobile preferences. For this reason, the survey consists of several parts, in some cases multiple answers are possible.

Saab drive exclusive, or not?

The readers on the Saabblog are a colorful cross section of society. Here young and older fans, academics, pensioners, freelancers, students gather. Some drive Saab out of deep conviction, and they drive only Saab. The others drive their Saab only in fine weather, often with seasonal approval. For another group, Saab is already a thing of the past, but the connection to the brand is still there. And then there are the readers who are simply interested in cars from Trollhättan, without owning one.

Saab drive exclusively. Or not?

  • I drive Saab. And only Saab! (49% 315 Votes)
  • Saab and another make. (37% 240 Votes)
  • At the moment I'm not driving Saab anymore. (9% 61 Votes)
  • I would like to drive Saab. (5% 32 Votes)

Total Voters: 648

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What are the alternatives to Saab?

What drives you as an alternative, if for some reason no more Saab drives? Because you have a company car, the employer does not accept an older car in the fleet? Because the Saab does not fit in the life situation at the moment. Which brand can replace a Saab, where is the trend going?

Is it the Gothenburg brand that could possibly replace a Saab? Or instead of Volvo but rather a German premium make? Are French cars an alternative or can Asian brands score points? The manufacturers attract with generous trade-ins, discounts, financing and leasing offers. Maximum 2 answers are possible. We are curious!

Alternatives to Saab? Which make do Saab drivers prefer?

  • Volvo (32% 276 Votes)
  • Other brand (13% 110 Votes)
  • BMW (8% 67 Votes)
  • Japanese manufacturer (7% 60 Votes)
  • Mercedes (5% 48 Votes)
  • Audi (5% 44 Votes)
  • Tesla (4% 36 Votes)
  • Citroen (4% 36 Votes)
  • Skoda (4% 34 Votes)
  • VW (3% 28 Votes)
  • Peugeot (3% 27 Votes)
  • Opel (3% 26 Votes)
  • Korean manufacturer (3% 24 Votes)
  • Porsche (2% 16 Votes)
  • Ford (1% 10 Votes)
  • Renault (1% 10 Votes)
  • Seat (1% 9 Votes)
  • Mini (1% 7 Votes)
  • Smart (1% 6 Votes)

Total Voters: 620

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74 thoughts too "Where are the alternatives to Saab?"

  • Hello Tom, is it your intention that you did not plan on Volvo as an option?

    • Of course not, even if you could accept it. Little mishap in the form, Volvo is now visible.

      • 30 years I drive only Saab and I hope it stays like that for a while. Currently I am expanding my fleet to distribute the Km on as many Saabs as possible. Currently a 9-5 NG 2.0 Turbo, in summer the 902 Turbo Convertible, a second convertible for my wife is in the works. Next spring, the 9000 CC 2.3 Turbo is finally ready and comes back on the road. So I hope to continue driving the Saab Feeling for the next few years.

    • Yes, difficult. Lovers Saab I have three, even the then 2005 newly purchased 9-3 SC may sunbathe for a long time already in the status.

      When the 2008 Saab 9-3 SC business car went out of lease there were no new ones. Successor was then a Volvo V60, then (by employer change) a BMW 3er GT, after switching back a Volvo XC60. Then a Land Rover Discovery Sport, now a Subaru XV is coming soon (after the kids are out of the house, which is smaller).

      Seems like I was permanently nothing excited since Saab is no more ... ...

      And somehow blows up the survey format 😉

  • Jaguar is an individual brand that I consider to be an alternative ....

    • Jaguar's top end attitude, stops many pre-SAAB drivers considering them
      So, where is that driveablility, that does not require a massive V8 ..........

  • Since 1987 (return from the USA) I only drive Saab (2x9000CD, 3 × 9-5 Hirsch Troll, since 2011 9-3 Aero Hirsch), besides I do short exits with an 900 L (1978, 60,000 km) in early summer during the summer months an 900 convertible (1991, 160000 km).
    Alternatively, today I could imagine a Tesla Model 3 next to a Jaguar XE.

  • Interesting idea, such a survey! However, I have the second question understood that you only tick something, if you - in addition to the Saab or even instead - drives a different brand, so not what you could theoretically imagine if you had. As a result, as a confident driver of two Saabs (I can not get anything else in the garage!), I did not tick anything on the second question. Or have I misunderstood that? Since the votes on the second question are about exactly as high as in the first, but where about 60 percent specify to drive only Saab, I probably misunderstood that ... (??)

    • With response 2 the naming of up to 2 makes is possible. Shown is the number of votes cast, not the voters. Hence the difference.

      • All right - there was my mistake! Thanks for the information! 🙂

  • I would have called Alfa Romeo, but the current product range of AR (no estate, but ugly SUV) and the poor future prospects (in the direction of electric comes from AR nothing), AR probably to a dead end.

  • Volvo XC 60 as an everyday car - Saab 900i Cabrion 2,1 liter EZL May 1991 230.000 km Season license 5 - 10 for sunny days

  • We drive only Saab, still. 9.3 convertible, 9.5 station wagon, 9.5 NG Unfortunately, the vehicles get into the years despite regular care. An alternative is unfortunately not in sight.

  • interesting survey; I / we have 6 Saab`s and drive all. I actually have problems even to imagine an alternative, except such old love to Maserati (everyday use but rather not-the older years of construction);
    I hope at least 1-3 Saab's up ....? to be able to keep alive. A big problem I see more in politics, how long we can still ....

  • Interestingly strong VOLVO faction here. Would not that be an additional topic for the blog and would not Tom at least once for discussion?

    • Volvo is clear at the moment ... A real surprise. I see the brand as a possible addition, as would be from the Swedish point of view, which together belong together.

    • The Volvo affinity of some readers seems very pronounced when following the survey. The Saab - Volvo theme we had a few years ago in the discussion. At that time we decided against it for good reasons.

  • In 39 years 27 Saab driven (company / family). Everything except the sonnet was there.
    Then Volvo XC 60. Great car nothing to moan, heart elsewhere. Now in retirement. Little Japanese
    because mainly short distances. Great car, heart somewhere else. Maybe it will be something again
    with a Saab.

  • LEXUS ??
    Unfortunately in your alternative list to Saab the brand'LEXUS' is missing! Interesting for me personally is the LexusGS 450h! Although an older model ... this was allowed to test 2 days to trial a few years ago. Vehicle has completely convinced me ... also the given consumption values ​​are absolutely realistic. I had a cumulative consumption of 2 liters in the 7,9 days, which is already considerable at 1850 kilo vehicle weight. However, these vehicles are so in demand that it is almost an 6'er in the lottery to get a car with top condition and portable mileage.

    ps: the current models from Lexus, however, inspire me less ... this aggressive design is not my cup of tea!
    / keep up the good work ... there is always something new to discover at saabblog !!

    • LEXUS ?? Addendum !! I've been driving Saab (´´30 900-valve 8 PS´´ 145 Tu 900s Coupe´´ 16 CD 9000´´ 2.3 II 900 Tu Coupe´´ 2.0-9 I 5 Ecopower´´) for about 2.3 years and currently since approx. 6 1/2 years a 9-5 Aero 2.3 Tu Sport-Kombi with 306.000 km ”// You can see from this list how difficult it would be for me to switch to another brand! But until then there will probably be a few more years to come! Next up is the 9-5 NG ... on the wish list in the Saab vehicle list.

  • At the moment there are 4 SAAB, 3 own and those of my beautiful ones. No matter in which car I sit, from Alfa to Volvo, in no one I have this feeling of well-being. I can then live well with Opel, Renault or "Whatever" (as before my SAAB fever) and with the money saved my chunks as long as possible alive.

  • I drive SAAB 93 convertible and it will stay that way. However, I bought a Lexus as a company car. The design language I find not aggressive but failed and the hybrid drives wonderfully.

  • I still drive Saab. My 9-5 Aero from 2004 is the perfect travel engine! Last year I did the 8000 km in my parental leave, just on vacation and just before 3500 km made the week! (everything with lpg 🙂) The car is only driven 1 once every two weeks. In the city I only cycle.
    For me, the only alternative is Subaru. Too bad it did not make it on the list.

  • I had been busy with Mazda recently. Sometimes technically different ways, a little different from the others, some quirky decisions - a hint of Trollhättan ...

    • Mazda is holding a very exciting course at the moment, as things are developing contrary to the mainstream. The brand is currently very interesting!

      • I fully agree - Mazda is among the current manufacturers as the car brand that is most likely to go their own way, has character, acts sincerely. Volvo is too distanced me from the actual virtues, Subaru is considered to me in depth but then too arbitrary, Jaguar has become in my opinion also unreal ... there is not much left on smaller brands.
        In addition to all the SAAB I drive a reasonably reliable Opel Omega B Caravan, which pleases me with his simple mind and very relaxed.

  • Every vehicle can be an alternative to Saab. You just have to get involved and not think dogmatically. After all, even a Saab is "just" a bunch of tin with wheels on it. A Saab may do certain things better than others, but others may do better things than Saab. I do not drive my Saabs because Saab is on top and behind, but because I like them. Would stand on my 901 Volvo or Peugeot I would not care.

  • My story about the Saab driver is a long love that I was not allowed to live out for professional reasons. At the beginning of the 1980s, I was a highflyer at Daimler-Benz. Of course it was not exactly opportune, if not frowned upon, to drive something other than the then really good cars with the star. And I had it as a business vehicle in all variants and shades. And my girlfriend and today's wife drove him in the shape of our private 190 D 2.5.

    After reorienting myself in the middle of the 1990 years and hiring DAF Trucks for the parent company Paccar, my personal car world became more spacious. And again it was not a Saab but a VW Passat, followed by another such. Saab never let me go anyway. And as in my days at the Daimler, where I spent many happy moments at the Geneva Motor Show on the Saab stand, I turned my head every time a Saab convertible came along again.

    After many automobile turmoil, then turned the tide for good two years ago and I have a Saab 9-3 convertible model year 2002 indulged. He came from a clearance sale of a garage in Winterthur. They had to quickly get rid of many cars, because the landlord had terminated their premises and the new garage and parking space was only half that size. I had bought a car with a large maintenance jam, as it turned out later. Gradually, the garage Buser in Augst fixed all things that had to be fixed and I organized the overhaul of the steering gear at the specialist improved.ch itself, which I can only recommend, because a new Max Buser could not raise more.

    I also drive my Saab professionally and he makes my job much easier, because when people see me rolling in, he always puts a smile on their face. And if any of you in the railway industry should work, then he knows what that means.

    My oldest son, who took over the company a few years ago, is not very fond of the Saab. So he has as a reserve and to pull the trailer, which we regularly need a Hyundai Santa Fé with 2.2 liter diesel engine purchased. With that, I also drive from time to time. I had also regularly drove a Hyundai i30 diesel in front of the Saab. Without envy I can say that today Hyundai is the car brand, which was Mercedes-Benz to the W123 and W126 times and partly to the W124 times.

    At some point, my Saab convertible gets company from an 9000er. I know that all of a sudden I'm going to get in the right car. And if I retire at the end of the year, this will probably be the case. The Saab gods will be gracious to me and I will continue to drive only Saab.

  • Hey there!
    I drive my 9-3 II Cabriolet (YOM 2008) daily. It is my only car. Meanwhile, thoughts come up, whether I send him not in partial retirement. 😉 Right now I'm thinking more about a Stromer and I'm looking forward to the IAA and the presentation of the VW ID 3. I do not think I'll buy a gas burner.

    The SAAB remains the pleasure car.

    Greetings from Bad Salzdetfurth

  • I had to hand over my Saab (Company Car) from 3 1 / 4 years ago. Unfortunately I have no space and can afford me no second car. At the time I thought a lot and looked. VW Group (Skoda, Seat, VW) are quickly eliminated with me. Bad advice no interest in advice. Mazda (CX-3) and Ford (C-Max) have also failed at the dealership. I'll never forget the young salesman's face, why do not I buy the car? But there's just a bit more to it than talking to the girlfriend on the phone. Finally, I ended up in a Hyundai branch (small cottages). The Tucson had liked the look and look there. Without appointment, of course I can look at the car, test drive, no problem without appointment. That convinced me.

    I cry after my Saab on some points, were just trivial things, but they were really great. But I got used to my Tucson meanwhile. Only occasionally do I think, too bad, my Saab did that more or less alone. But since the workshop plays an important role, I am satisfied. They are almost as good as my Saab workshop in Bad Tölz.

  • In addition to my 9-5 NG with now 195.000 km on the beautiful hump (still very attractive, fast and reliable), I drive a 900 convertible 1991 and a 96 V4 1968 (almost restored). In the last 14 months I have (unfortunately) sold 4 great Saab, also to keep the peace at home. Now I was offered an 9000 CSE Turbo, almost in the new
    condition, with 21'000 km. Not exactly low priced, but because of the unique condition and the opportunity yet again cheap. Now my dilemma comes: I can not get away and conserve, I have to drive such a car on a regular basis and because of the performance and the pleasure I would use it for business. That would mean about 20.000 km per year, in addition to the 9-5 NG, and to relieve this. Is this now a sacrilege to make such a collector's item an everyday car with inevitable signs of wear or is it in the sense of the cause and attitude right to actively use it?
    What does the blog and the readers value?

    • Good question. I used to say: put away and move moderately. But times are changing - and also my opinion. I would let him and drive, regardless of the mileage.

      • Almost three years ago I bought a 2001er 9-5 combi 2,3 liter for my everyday 2007er 9-3 diesel combi diesel so that I could enjoy Saab driving for as long as possible. The diesel should be spared, but by the diesel debate, the diesel is now driven in everyday life. He is also used to pull horse trailer.
        The only alternative to my Saabs I see only a third Saab to buy.
        @ Tom, I would love to find the Saab with the highest mileage.

    • Hello Helmut
      To move the 9000er with the extremely low mileage in everyday life is in view of the position of 9000er in the community (is highly regarded as a "workhorse", but unfortunately is never as loved as an 901er) plus the extreme rarity of 9000er with such low mileage sacrilege! Sure, a SAAB is on the road ... even the 20'000 Km per year is not a real problem.
      Approach: Why not use the 9000er in the salt-free months as an everyday car? And leave the winter months to the 9-5 NG? The life expectancy of the 9000er would stretch with this approach, almost to infinity ...
      By the way, I'm a huge 9000 fan and have been driving the model for 17 years.
      Keep Saabing

      • Good idea! I would also do it like this: driving and enjoying a lot, but maybe not in the “salted” months.

    • I would find it hard to drive so many kilometers now, if the car has been moved only 21 000km so far, the car would rather pick up for special rides, Especially considering that there are only so few 9000er, he gets through the new condition even more exclusive. If possible, get a cheap diesel Saab and drive the kilometer with this. Diesel Saabs are also fun.

    • Cars are on the street, also special. It does not matter if it's 20t, but it's a sacrilege not to move great cars! Aslo, go for it!

    • MUSEUM

      9000ers are already preserved in the Saab Car Museum in THN and will remain for posterity ...
      As a private person you are more responsible for the presence on the street - for making yourself and your fellow human beings happy in everyday life. I get a lot of thumbs up and see ecstatic faces when I'm out and about with my 49 year old Volvo 164E in everyday life.

      On 2.400 Km in Sweden, I have not seen any more this year and with the 9000 it was hardly better. 3 or 4 it was in total and I was very saddened.

      My 164 has now run a little speedometer 460.000 km and is driven further. I would do the same with an 9000. The road (prefers long stretches) is its natural habitat. So drive, be happy and enjoy others. No scruples ...

  • It's just a minimal survey, I would have expected more questions, eg why 2 brands are kept ...? In my case, Saab was no longer allowed as a company car; as I mean my 1. Volvo bought business, I said to the Volvo saleswoman: "For a Saab lover, Volvo is the least possible evil" - the lady has almost fallen off the chair.
    Now I have the 2. Volvo official car (V 40 D 4) and must confess: never before I drove a better diesel.

    Oh yes: Jaguar could have been indicated as an alternative brand ...

    So PLEASE: re-evaluate with more in-depth questions, if possible!

    • Such surveys are always an attempt. Do readers like this form, how far do they go with their answers and are they interested in the subject at all? Also, I still learn to add, after 8 years blog, every day. The topic will find its deepening and perhaps one or the other consequence.

  • Currently 5 Saab, four of them as everyday life, the 96er as Oldie. These are joined by two Lancia (of course, these are no more everyday cars). My partner still has a Suzuki SX4 4WD, a vehicle that impresses with a very good price / performance ratio. It is in our eighth year and there is nothing to mekern!

    I have just returned from my violent tour of the North Cape, totally 9395 km, with the 9-3 convertible built in 2004. The car just went from good to good, everything accepted without complaint and survived absolutely without any problems!

    In Norway and Sweden, the big, new station wagons from Volvo are something of hipp, you can see the V90 enmasse. Are great cars, look good, are also very large (and enormously expensive). In Norway, especially Oslo and Trondheim, tons of Tesla. That's a real prestige car there.

    I will occasionally write a report on my extended Nordland tour and provide the saabblog.

    • Hello, I'm really looking forward to the report on the "Violent Tour" including the Saab Festival in Trollhättan - the visit was one of them, right? (Is there actually a blog-report ?? I'm looking forward to it ...) About 9.000 km in a tour, that sounds really powerful! And no wonder that the beautiful convertible makes it uncomfortable, I have never had anything to complain about mine. Beautiful and extremely reliable!

      The Norwegian energy policy, incidentally, I think is pretty bigot: Acting in a pioneering role as a climate protector, promote electric cars and to demonize burners - all this can be due to the oil and gas (currently still ongoing) earned wealth, of course, very well!

      • Yes, the Saab Festival was at the origin of the journey. From there then the entire Atlantic route in Norway, incl. A few days Lofoten. Simply gorgeous!
        Report follows.

    • Moin, Hans!
      Thank you and in anticipation ...
      VG from Northern Germany!

    • Hello, everyday Saab 9-3 || , 1,8 gasoline combi 2005. Super reliable worker. TOI Toi Toi !
      With seasonal license. Saab 9-3 || , 2.8 Turbo, Kombi Aero, Hirsch Kombi 2005. Sometimes workers, but mostly pure fun! Also toi, toi, toi!

  • That's always an exciting question with the alternatives. After my everyday 9-5 was flat, I was also faced with the question. I could have bought one again, but needed an all-wheel-drive horse for little money. This was SAAB out and a Hyundai Terracan in the race. Comfortable, well equipped, pulls away three and a half tons and best of all: if you drive with low beam and then turn off the engine and pull the key ... .. turns off all the light, including the parking light. I'm always happy about that because that's a bit of a SAAB feeling for me. I think it's a great car, I've never looked back. That's enough for me the alternatives and the whole 900-er and 9000-he will be moved on the side.
    On the subject of Volvo: I have not been so keen on Volvo for a long time (and do not need it), but had some time ago the opportunity in a 2 years old V70 diesel ride and can not deny that I was very impressed.
    And Mazda I do not find uninteresting, just because you do not tumb follows the mainstream ...

  • 2 SAAB, 1 Volvo
    Actually, I first came to the brand SAAB through Volvo. The Volvo is still in use as an everyday Swede and the SAABs no longer need to fear road salt.
    But at Volvo spare parts and software prices are already partly steep. The repairs at the 900ers were there (so far) always cheaper, if only because the software is completely eliminated 🙂

  • I had a Saab sports suit in noctunblau 1.9TTiD Vector equipment and much more than company car BJ 2009.

    Unfortunately, the upcoming change 3 years later Saab was no longer there and I had to look for the long-planned trip to Nordkapp an alternative. Since the selection is limited to German brands and daughters, it was an A4 Allroad station wagon. The Nordkap he has done and except for the various software commands he drove quite well, but the consumption was much higher (according to list identical to the Saab) and the car had no soul.

    Then came the diesel scandal (the Audi EA189 engine fully affected) so it should be something else. Unfortunately, the selection of German brands is quite limited, innovative in the drive concept is not. So it is to become a Skoda RS sports trolley 180PS diesel and manual transmission. I also know a car from the scam company, but Skoda is a very old brand and known to me since childhood and has an S at the beginning of the name 🙂 I am very satisfied, the car fits like a glove (like my Saab) and makes it a grin to conjure my face (like my Saab). Unfortunately, Skoda is kplt. depending on VW and so the successor models have become worse (voice control, optics, etc.). Since the WLTP test prevents VW also probably the Skoda can provide various hand switch and petrol engine. So I have to see what the alternative is now.

    Volvo is since the sale by Ford, unfortunately, no German mark more, hand switch and about 180PS performance is now looking like the needle in a haystack and independently is anyway nothing in the German mainstream.

    Very interesting I would find one of the Hyundai models with hybrid or hydrogen drive, because a pure electric vehicle makes no sense on my routes. Above all, his production is not exactly clean, let alone the generation of electricity.

    As long as in Dtl. Coal used to generate electricity will not reduce CO2 pollutant emissions. Only when you let the generators bleed like GB, but that will probably be nothing ...

  • We are currently only Saabs in use and hopefully will remain so for a long time, we still want a convertible and a 9-5NG. The numerous reports here could also be an 9000 in question.

    What I think of the alternatives to Saab say I say so, I guess the car Saab but also the whole thing around, the greetings fans (unfortunately not everyone greets), the meetings, the Saabblog and the special in the Saab workshops, all this is you probably find in hardly any other brand. Anyone who decided on a Saab then and now has also bought something very individual and rare. It has something on a large parking lot or even in the district to be the only one who has this model.

    If I had to choose an alternative, I would resort to something again, which is not that often. I think VAG cars are not bad, some of them are also pretty, like an Arteon or very practical Superb or Kodiaq, but still boring and can be seen on almost every street corner.
    I also like the French, Talisman and 508 are beautiful cars, but with the 508 I could never get used to this strange cockpit when coming from Saab.
    Japanese cars are all very good, as there would be a lot I would like, because there are Lexus, Infiniti and Subaru with which I could make friends.
    Alfa and Jaguar would still be an option
    Tesla would be a bit difficult, because I would like to invite home. But a model S100D I could imagine.
    And last but not least Volvo would be a very interesting alternative.
    And although I'm still one of the younger readers, I too could imagine an SUV, preferably Saab. A smaller 9-4X with everything that makes Saab would be a dream.

  • I now drive my 9-5 Aero sports suit on season plates .. and am now on an Opel Ampera 2012 landed as an everyday vehicle. And I have to admit, the Ampera convinces all along the line!

  • Have saab discovered only last year for me and decided that will not be the last, even if the 9-5 2.2tid sc of 2002 I have not been treated very carefully by the previous owner and I still have a new bmw in the garage.
    I have never been so comfortable and relaxed in a car as in the saab. I'll probably get a 9-5 NG and a 9-3 convertible at some point. The only problem is my 30tkm I drive in the year and I'm curious how long the 9-5 still holds out.

    • Where does the described 9-5 2.2 TiD come from? (there are not many anymore)
      In my opinion, this engine is the most durable engine in 9-5. If the trappings are right, then he always walks on, very solid and relaxed. Also quite relaxed with 30.000km per year - what should happen to the engine already? 😉

  • Also from my side a contribution to my previous "Saab career":

    - Since 1980 until today Saab: 2 x Saab 96, 3 x Saab 900 I (GLi and i, respectively> 550.000 km)

    - once a "foreign brand" (in addition to one of the three former 900ers): Citroen Xantia (deregistered with 490.000 km, extremely reliable, if the timing belt regularly changed and the green hydraulic fluid is replaced every two years)

    - Currently: 2 x Saab 9-5 I: Combi with 335.000 km (Seasonal license plate) / 4-Doors with 230.000 km / 900 I Convertible, Year of construction 90 with 23.000 km / Saab 96, Year of construction 1979, 69.000 km

    New vehicles are out of the question for me (aggressive, boring unit styling, especially the German ABM cars, too many annoying bullshit and assistance systems, etc.).

    Used vehicles: next to Saab only Lancia (Thesis), Citroen (C5 / C6) or - very far back in the past - Panhard PL 17 / 24.


    • Great written Uli! I see the same with the new cars.
      And that with the Panhard is already a real treat. Such a PL17 I would record immediately! By the way, the PL17 won 1961 the Rally Monte Carlo, even before the Saab!)

    • I am similar to you and Hans S.
      That's why I did not participate in the survey, could not attend ...

      The search for alternative new cars was unsuccessful a few years ago and I came to the conclusion that I would rather contest my automotive future with my inventory, other SAABs and “used” vehicles from other brands.

      Such a category (delicious baby, young and old-timers of all men's countries as a Saab new car alternative) does not offer the survey. But for me that is exactly the sexiest alternative and apparently I'm not alone with it. That's nice to know.

      • Can only attach me!

  • My Saab story started in 2006 when I treated my first vehicle (Saab 9-3 Sedan, 1.8t, 2004).
    There followed many trips and was always reliable.
    - After the 2015 wedding there was a BMW X5 (E70, 2012) addition.
    We still ride that today, but my heart and joy have always been the Saab.

    - In 2017 I bought an additional Saab 1.9 ttid (2008 because curious about the technology and 180DieselPS).
    Vehicle runs very well, but is more of a tractor compared to the petrol engine ...

    - At the beginning of July 2019, with a heavy heart I separated from my carefree 1.8t Saab with 260'000km.
    Why? because we do not need 3 cars.

    - Today: my heart is crying, I miss the petrol engine!
    BMW remains (for the sake of women), the combination 1.9ttid is sold, but it follows a Saab convertible 2.0t from 2008 ... sometime in the next 8 months!

    Which vehicle will I personally move for the next 10 years?
    Of course it will be a Saab ... whichever, the main thing is a petrol engine.
    Why? Every other car (and I've tried many brands, including business) does not make me happy, even if it seems more modern or advanced.


  • It makes me crazy every time I see people torturing themselves to work and sending their money to China. Volvo would never come as an alternative for me, something I would not even touch if it would be given to me and put on the doorstep, with a monthly bonus of 1000 € a month on top.
    Subaru is very nice, Mazda has already been appreciated, PSA also makes a lot of good and beautiful. Otherwise, I would try to escape the loss of value with a chic and everyday vintage cars ... such as the Imperial Starfleet C107, currently in the all-time price low diving R129 or Saab with an 99er or with all of our favorite 900.

  • Kia E-Niro

  • After more than 2 decades with Saab 9000 (2.0 Turbo and Aero) 2015 replaced the Aero as an everyday car for me (even if it is still logged out in the garage). I drove Saab because it was eco-friendly, safe cars. In addition, in the case of the 9000 Turbos still powerful, spacious and practical. In the summer 2013 I had the opportunity to test drive a Model S. From then on, it was actually clear what the replacement would have to look like, which embodies exactly the values ​​that once stood for Saab. At the end of 2014 the four wheel drive models were presented and since June 2015 I drive one as S85D. Today I would probably buy a model 3 (unfortunately without the practical hatchback). Over 4 years and well 75.000 km drove the model S with approx. 200Wh / km, thus from the energy content with 2l gasoline / 100km. Despite more than 2t and the good double performance compared to the 9000 Aero. Regardless of the brand, a gas burner would not come to my house.


      I'm just from Sweden. I saw a lot of Tesla there. But hardly any charging stations and certainly not at the holiday homes. I could not have made my trip with an EV. For that reason alone, no EV comes so quickly into my house, because the holiday in BioPower was fantastic.

      I drove the 2.400 Km on site with E85 and emitted less fossil CO2 per kilometer than a Tesla in the German power mix. The drive home was relaxed and speedy and yet I was only at home at 3 in the morning. A charge on the road is a horror performance for me.

      The infrastructure for this I saw during a short pause break on the brand new rest area Deminer Land at the A20. There were a transformer house, several huge control cabinets and 5 unused charging stations. I, too, was grateful I did not need them, left them on the left and just went home.

      During the relaxed drive on empty roads I pondered on how many charging stations, transformers and control cabinets it would need everywhere in addition to supply and power generation (at home, at the cottage and on the road), to allow an EV the same mobility, for burners without loading times and longer compulsory breaks are so completely natural.

      The space required, the effort and the use of resources for an electromobile infra- and charging structure are also part of the overall balance sheet and the environmental and mobility debate. A few gas stations here and there are measured against a fly and the 200Wh / Km are unfortunately only half the truth.

      The ecological zero tariff provide certainly not burners - and be it with biofuel.
      EVs certainly not. So much honesty has to be ...

      • In the 4 years I was traveling from Nordkapp to southern Germany. On the way, the loading works smoothly on the supercharger network, you have to plan anyway from time to time a stop to eat or for a coffee. At the house can be loaded with a reduced line to Schuko, home is a box in the garage and in the carport. Zero time to connect / disconnect, charging happens automatically at night, when otherwise little power is needed. No German electricity mix is ​​loaded, but electricity from water / wind power. By the way, half the roof of the garage with photovoltaic power supplies power for loose 10-15.000km per year.

        • That does not sound so bad, I have to admit ...

          But our cottage had no Schukodose outside. Also, I already had remote cottages without electricity. This is incredibly comfortable and relaxing. Their ecological footprint should also be sensationally small and flat.

          The photovoltaic on the garage does not deliver at night, the green electricity mix exists only as Ökotarif on the paper and from the can still comes the dt. Electricity mix. Incidentally, the photovoltaic has a CO2 balance and that is by the factor 10 worse than that of wind energy.

          For a coffee in an ecologically "correct" plastic cup, I don't take any breaks on the way home at night. Motorway rest areas are rarely worth a stay and why do I have the Saab cup holder and a Stanley thermos flask?

      • Exactly! Add to that the great German electricity mix of coal-fired power plants, gas, nuclear power, etc. that you mentioned, and the rare earths. And that anyway only the people with the largest CO2 “footprint” can afford such a (huge) Tesla and an EV for their oh so pure environmental conscience: namely the homeowners. As a resident of an apartment building without a garage (with the much better footprint, i.e. much lower emissions per nose), the vast majority of the population has no way of charging and owning an EV anyway. And the wear and tear of the batteries, the energy consumption during production etc. (at least because of the desert solar energy better with the Tesla than with the other manufacturers) tarnishes the balance considerably!

        As Tom wrote so beautifully on the blog: The most environmentally friendly car is already produced! In this sense, I drive with my clear conscience my 2011er Saabs: The E85 convertible, which would hardly expel fossil CO2, if the batty - and only on the automotive lobby and the current, sachargumentresistenten hysteria oriented - German policy E85 would not have abolished. And the 160 TTiD SportCombi, which consumes very little and already has a much better CO2 balance as a diesel.

        I would be for a fundamentally new and free, purposeful rethinking. As you have suggested, electrical energy could be used very well as immobile, ie for the heating of our homes. There are no memory problems. In addition, solar panels on all roofs (even the large Art Nouveau apartment buildings all have huge roofs that you do not even see from the street), use volcanic rock as storage (is being tested in HH). Re-introducing E85 for mobile energy needs, using large-scale agricultural and forestry cases for equipping petrol engines for 1000 Euro in France, driving on the old burners instead of scrapping intact cars at the expense of the climate and building millions of new ones , and in the new vehicles in addition to EV increasingly put on hybrid!

        PS Nice that you are back! Have missed your comments - and I envy you for your trip to Sweden! Unfortunately I have not made it this year yet.

        • Thank you for the compliment.

          For the TTiD and the topic E85 one could add that the CO2 balance of the diesel with bio diesel would be even better. We had that before and he unfortunately shares the fate of E85 in D ...

          Kära Hälsningar

      • In this respect, I also landed on BioPower, as in Sweden the supply of E85 was better developed than in the rest of Europe, although probably there is no long-term future due to lack of E-85 demand; On the one hand, unfortunately, the Saab research has been missing since 2011, otherwise it would certainly have been able to look better all over Europe. In addition, there are still enough E85 gas stations in Germany + Switzerland, so that on my part mostly only E85 is fueled.

        • Really? Where else can you find E85 gas stations in D? I could not find a single one more and would therefore be very grateful for any hint! 🙂 And what does the liter in CH cost? I researched online and think that there should still be E85 at Agrola in (German) Switzerland. Since I will go there soon, I would be very interested!

          Thank you and have a nice Sunday!

          PS: In France it is very good to refuel E85. There, the network is currently being greatly expanded, retrofitted the cars and the liter is between 60 and 80 cent! 🙂

  • My comment “Exactly!” was intended as a direct answer to Herbert Hürsch's.

  • Here also my Saab story: It started 2000 with a green stalked 9-3er I then 2004 for a 9-3 1.8t convertible exchanged (ebeialls with deer tuning - in lime-yellow). I drive this wonderful car today. In addition came from my wife of 2009 to an 9-5er Aero (99er Jahrgajg) of the unfortunately 2015 had to be shut down, because the rust prevention of the first 9-5 was not yet optimal. As a replacement, we were then able to import a 9-3X from Germany to Switzerland.
    Alternative to these Saab's? I have to think for a long time; I hope the question will never have to be asked. Maybe Alfa? Jaguar? Hardly an EV; at most one plug in hybrid; if necessary, hydrogen, if then the technology is affordable. But for the first time to keep the Saabs as long as possible ....

  • very interesting to see the many different opinions and solutions

    BUT: what was Saab really at the core? extremely independent to sometimes bizarre, very fast (and sometimes very comfortable), very stylish (not necessarily classically “beautiful” but just a real personality), and rare.

    The whole bread and butter nonsense of the late stages and the dilution of this great German brand, which is fortunately barely mentioned, have nothing more to do with real Saab ...

    So I do not quite understand the enthusiasm - and certainly not the connection with Saab - for Asian bread and butter cars (regardless of their excellent everyday value) and for the still so-called premium models (basically so deadly boring, overpriced longweiler cars ) of a big European country.

    If one takes the emotionality and originality as the most central points of the Saab myth, then a worthy successor (if that's what it takes) must fulfill these same conditions. Therefore, in my view, only brands such as Alfa Romeo or Jaguar come into question.

    At Alfa Romeo, the central points such as emotionality, sportiness, independence, design etc. are absolutely fulfilled. Really great and (after a long dry spell again) a lot of fun (just like with Saab). This is also the case with Jaguar, but I allow myself the snobbery to essentially limit it here to the old, "real" Jaguar phase, i.e. the design language of the XJ models or older (with these beautiful round double lights and curved lines ); maybe something really good is coming again ...

    Otherwise: Saab's are still fully suitable for everyday use, so continue with the fun 😉

    had many different 900er convertibles series I and II, 9000 and 9-5; Currently I drive a 900 Convertible Series I, more follow again.
    For me the direct Saab successors were Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio, Alfa Romeo 4c and for the sweet femininity a Jaguar X-Type (3.0), all very different, but wonderful cars!

    Cheers & ciao ciao

  • Interesting alternatives to Saab-Phylosophy at that time, to enable people to live up to their safety and longevity without offering senselessly wanted commerce, are practically non-existent today! Starting from the active and passive securities that almost no other car brand has used so intensively and even mostly made use of in advance, at least in the period from 70ern to late 90ers, nobody will be able to offer or replace so generously.

    These times are over, today we are increasingly suffering from the disposable society, and also in the automotive sector! Saab was strange and unique, usually always a nose ahead, not only ahead of the competition, but also against new and later introduced laws! Certainly, these examples know the older Saab drivers among us, it began a gradual year-long intensive vehicle development from model 99 to 9000, in some cases even to 9.5NG, although during the last Saab production years the parent company GM again and again slowed many things, too always the reasons were, most probably probably austerity measures, otherwise 9.3 + 9.5er would have improved in terms of quality and safety. Not to mention that Saab research was already doing research on electro-powered engines, but this topic was unripened at that time and intended only for specific purposes, such as those for a few electric-powered mail vehicles intended for parcel delivery; logically, this development was left in the drawer.

    Not to be forgotten on this subject, the Swedish state at that time shaped, to some extent, certain “political-financial” influence on industry; not to be compared with the past diesel scandal! As well as the generation at that time had other needs, since the market was generally still small compared to today's conditions and the vehicle market was still different from country to country. The vehicle was still treated as a luxury item, so all sorts of differences among the “few” automobiles were clearly visible. Today, a modern car, large or small, is a natural means of transportation, for most of us it is almost unidentified; ie we are getting closer to “car sharing”. The demands are probably higher, but less and less differentiable, so that it can be used and used as an unnoticed fashion consumable, as long as it works or even mrs and mrs don't get bored with the object of pleasure, because leasing is a matter of course today. As a result, a vehicle is less and less viewed as valuable property.

    Interesting statement in my family who have been driving Saab since 50 years, and since I drove Saab since 40 years, including while the 80ern was allowed to work with Saab for a few years, the relation to the old Saab's intensely strong, even if today little talked about it but only with great effort we take leave of our Saab's, if it must be. Also with difficulty we let ourselves be influenced as an alternative by a new product or even persuade. This was already noticeable when the 902 / 9.3 + 9.5 models were introduced, which already changed the Saab passion fundamentally. The only interesting topic in the last 15 years was the introduction of E85 engines, which led us to look for a more modern Saab. But these BP versions are politically no longer a future either, since nothing has been promoted recently, or even the speech is the E85 offer to reduce!

    Since today I no longer need a vehicle as a means of transport, and thus do not travel many miles, ie mostly only for private use, the brand alternative, after the disappearance of our peculiar and self-exploring Swedish car brand, actually never made aware, or Thanks to a collection of well-preserved old tu-16s models such as 901er and 9k, where the really sparkling Saab driving experience still comes alive in the day or at best for the modern environmentally friendly everyday life, where with us for a long time only BioPower engines were used, although these models do not embody an extremely big Saab philosophy! This is as long as E85 is offered, but luckily they also work with gasoline.

    Diesel was never an issue at Saab, as it was not originally Saab technology unless GM was in charge. This served only as a sales strategy to keep sales in the various countries stable, as the price differences between gasoline and diesel were artificially influenced by market conditions and the consumption values ​​were usually much more interesting in terms of price.

    For me there is no fair Saab alternative for a passionate Saabist, only a “workhorse” in the style of the Land-Rover Defender V8, although this is not a long-distance vehicle and will never replace the Saab!


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