The Saab 9000 - matured to the classic

Since the first attempts of the blog the Saab 9000 employs me. In June 2011 there was one IDEAfollowed by a detailed Buyer's guide, Is not that all that was to be said? In principle not, because times are changing, and with it our perception of old cars.

Saab of 1998 in the foreground, Güldner head office of 1956 in the background. Today, the completely modernized building is being used by Linde Fördertechnik.
Saab of 1998 in the foreground, Güldner head office of 1956 in the background. Today, the completely modernized building is being used by Linde Fördertechnik.

Before 8 years ago, the 9000 was just a classic car, so the series, released more than 30 years ago, has long since matured into a classic. You can feel it, you feel it, and sometimes it's not that bad. And it starts at the beginning. Or, more specifically, when switching from a current car to an 9000. In contrast, you really get into the Saab, because the seats are currently mounted very high. A real start, not a descent, and the 9k delights with plenty of light, space, and a great all-round view. The huge windscreen allows for a view in Ultra HD format, everything is great.

The car is from another time. More than 3 decades ago, people did not dream of housing people in overcrowded cities in ROI. The vehicles of the time, not just the Saab, offered great space, large windows and high utility. Everything is different today. Limousines have larger sheet metal and smaller windows. You squat quasi almost in 2 tons of steel and sheet metal, thinks this is chic and time-spiritually, until you then climb into an old Saab. Or pull from his Wohnwabe in the city in the country house of the grandparents. And surprised recognizes how humane, caressed by the light and space that generations understood to live before us.

Old, good and food for thought!

Yes, the Saab is old. And not everything about him is good. Its suspension, with its solid axle behind, is neat, but today's cars can do much more. And my Anna project comes with 21 Lenzen on the tin dress so slowly in the years. Something is always, but in interaction with Gerard Ratzmann we have this together under control. In the spring little things were done and aging vacuum hoses exchanged precautionary. A new upper engine mount, some optimization here and there. The Saab is reliable, comfortable to drive, and when the hazard switch goes off after 21 years, that's just how it works. And it is not a problem, because the big Saab is just a Swedish Ikea car, where you can do little things without special talent yourself.

The Saab has matured, and I have the impression that it becomes more casual as you get older. Or is it because today's cars are so unsteady, serious, and full of electronics? In the 9k the driver rests in the still good and ingenious chairs from the legendary seat workshop at Göta Älv. The right arm is on the retrofitted center armrest and occasionally presses the bone-dry but accurate 5 gearbox. A real Saab gearbox, far better than the Opel-Kram you later expected the brand. The big Swede drives, if you like, switch-lazy. The large 2.3 always provides enough torque, at idle, the machine is not heard with their balance shafts and comes close to the running culture of a straight-six.

Mature classic, but time is running.

The 9000 still belongs to a generation of vehicles, where primarily the gas foot was crucial for consumption. Setting the cruise control to the highway speed limit, or slightly below it, it rewards rewarding with fabulous ranges and a relaxed driving experience. One then asks where more than 30 years of progress have actually remained, but the question is answered promptly itself. Yes, an 6 gearbox in the 9000, that would have been it. Or at least an overdrive transmission, nice the speed-lowering and reducing the consumption as the magnificent old English cars once had. In conjunction with a Saab Turbo - that would be perfect.

But you can not have it all. Today you have to enjoy what this fabulous, old Sweden offers. Because his time is limited because the age of the burners is coming to an end. At some point, perhaps earlier than you would expect, old burners will lose their approval. First countries already have concrete plans, as sustainability and long service life are not much. What comes up, that can be exciting. A break with our habits, and an enrichment. Maybe also a return. On old values, on high-value cars, light and space.

25 thoughts too "The Saab 9000 - matured to the classic"

  • These were great cars ....

    As allerallerallerersten Saab we had such a silver "square" (automatic, 200 turbo PS I think) from the local "gas station attendant" **
    Later then the "rounded" successor as CSE ... ..

    Especially the first one was a real racing machine! 😉
    Previously, our family always drove BMW.
    But from then on, the virus got us incurable!

    I loved the interior of the 9000'er:
    "Noblest" and super comfortable leather seats, great climate control, here and there a few typical "Saabige quirks" that had no other car, plus a really large trunk (washing machines / refrigerators were not a problem) ... and not to forget the extraordinary wide automatic " regulator "in the middle!

    **)
    A local "gas station attendant" opened a tiny "car dealership" with Saab in his tan office after Neubau.
    Unfortunately he only stayed a few years ....

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  • Hello Tom, I have a 9ooo with automatic ... that's the right gearbox for the car in my opinion. Totally relaxed, ok, a 5 gear automatic would be nicer, but at speeds around the 150 the 8,5-9 needs about ltr I find that ok. Over it, then it will be more. But I just had a rental car, smaller than the 9ooo that also needed 7,8 ltr, but as 6 gear switch, where did the progress go?
    In other words, the 9ooo is a great car!

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    • Yes Peter, the automatic transmission fits a bit better. Except "Anna" all my 9k have the ZF-automatic, but "Anna" a sunroof what the others do not have. And I'm an absolute fan of this hatch in the tin.

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  • Thanks Tom for the nice words about the 9k. In fact, I am amazed every day about the vehicle and all the details described. Driving, I always have the feeling that I can travel to the end of the world and arrive there relaxed. Hope for many more years together. Also Gerard Ratzmann thank. It's getting better and better not to upset me about the political decisions affecting individual transport and the shortsightedness of the consumer society. But close the car door, listen to the hiss of the turbo and enjoy every kilometer ...

    The Lizi

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  • Is it true when I think of the 9000ers in my life? These were all honest, solid and good cars. Lots of money, really expensive back then, but the equivalent has always been right. Great, if any are preserved!

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    • And then GM came along ...... ..

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  • Of course, an original 9000 has its Reitz - but where are they, the optimized copies? Who has retrofitted an 6 gearbox from the blog readers? Or a parking aid? Or who has one of the few 2.5-liter still in use, which was converted many years ago by a dealer? There are Saab specialists who offer suspension modifications - A post about such exotics would be interesting to read ....

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    • The Lizi has a 2.3 t CSE automatic 11 / 91 with rear parking assistance. Hard to see and works perfectly. Was already there when I bought the car, so no story about it.

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  • Thank you very much Tom - yes the 9000 was, is and remains this very special car from SAAB. Personally, I started with a Saab 96 as the first car. After that came some Saab 90 and Saab 900. When the 9000 was introduced - I was invited to it with my dad - I could not really get excited about it.

    For me, the Saab 96 with its freewheel and the V4 engine from Ford and the two Turbos's - the soft as well as the Vollturbo - of the Saab 900 1.Generation was the typical Saab.

    But the Saab 9000 is the very best Saab ever built in Trollhättan - in every way, and still today. None of our 9-5 wagon or the 9-3 Aero Cabriolet can match our old Saab 9000.

    Every day I am looking forward to joining the old Swedes - yes, Tom, after 23 years, there are also some little woes - but they are more than forgivable, especially compared to the problems that the newer Saab's have.

    With horror, I already think today of the day when we can not have a Saab 9000 more and hope very much that I still find an acceptable vehicle somewhere - I really could not imagine being without a Saab 9000.

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    • A life without 9000 is possible, but is it fun? I would miss him too.

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  • Hi Tom,
    Thank you for the great tribute to the 9000er.
    I gave myself another 9000er a few months ago, a Turbo EZ 1985. He got a few "pats" at HFT and is now a source of pure joy. With 130 km / h and cruise control on the highway, a real treat. When I'm in this car, I do not care about the rest of the world because I'm sitting in my own personal space of happiness.
    Of course I could keep up with the left lane if I wanted to amaze many a contemporaries in his standard sleigh, but why? I already have the maximum pleasure factor.

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    • Very nice! I can understand that, 9k driving makes happy 😉 Have fun with the CC!

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    • I just can approve that too.
      Had two 9k itself.

      Nevertheless, I recently decided to part with mine.
      Why?
      Now that we are moving two vehicles in the family and I drive a lot for work, the 9k was too bad for me.
      It is best to treat yourself to luxury and put it away in a garage and move it only in summer.
      That did not work for me.

      In addition, the chassis including brakes me on highways has become unsafe.
      Not to mention the background noise from 150 km / h.

      That's why my choice fell on a 01 Saab 9-5.
      Why?
      Because I already had an 05er as a diesel - a disaster.
      An 06er Aero - great engine and at the same time a catastrophic processing in the interior.

      Later a 07er deer diesel. He ran very smoothly.
      Until the whole environmental history came and the market price plummeted.

      Who drove 9000er will be happy with an early 95er.
      Why?
      "Another great workmanship"; and as a station wagon also with high utility value.
      Great solid dashboard, not s rattles. High quality carrier.
      Many lights in the doors and the tailgate were later rationalized.
      Eyelet on the tailgate - ingenious!
      Beautiful door sills with Saab logo, good cover of the tailgate with plastic there are no scratches in the snow.
      Ordinary door handles inside, nice air conditioning unit, great Saab instruments.
      Still decent leather. Later it only got thinner.
      Thick carpet in the whole car. Super clean.
      No huge sills (SE equipment) to climb over.
      Central display in the middle.
      The 4 gear automatic switches so soft that you hardly notice it.
      At 200 km / h only 4000 rpm.
      Not even every diesel manages to do that.
      Why do you need 8 gears?
      Large tail lights ala 9000er with lock option.
      If there is a cable break, you appreciate the lock in the back even more.
      Double sunshades anyway.

      Disadvantage?
      Yes. The ones with the rust.
      Since the 9000er was better.

      Conclusion for me.
      If you have a great 9000er, keep it and put it away.
      Worth gold in five years.
      Otherwise a little more modern and comfortable for me - the first 9-5er.
      Better suspension, brakes, steering.
      And soon also an upcoming classic with the chrome grill
      So get, get, get!

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  • Hello to the Saabgemeinde.
    As described in the article, the 9000er is THE Saab. With this car, my passion (some say illness) started for Saab. A green 9000 CSE with Softturbo and 150PS from the year 1997. In retrospect, I should never have sold him. It was the best Saab I ever had. Not even the 9-5 NG could beat this. Today I still have an 900 / 1 from 1990 and a 9-3 Combi from 2006. As a "utility car" for the job must now serve a Volvo. I have found that after 3 months search simply no Saab was to be found at a realistic price and with few kilometers, which would have reliably accompanied me the next years. Either you find nuclear scrap or overpriced vehicles. But this was in the pre-post ever topic (alternatives to Saab).
    I wish all Saab drivers a lot of fun with their vehicles. Keep and care for your Saab's I do it too.

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  • As I've already written, the blog makes me hungry for an 9000. At least once I would like to drive a drive.

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  • Yes, I also became curious and would like to take a test drive. So far, cars without ignition in the center console for me were not (real or full-fledged) Saabs. Which of course is total nonsense - as I know now after div. Reading the topic on the blog. 🙂

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    • Yes, the ignition ... The only flaw on the 9000. Driving to the test should not be a problem (also @ Ken-Daniel). There are so many Saab meetings and family tables and I'm sure one or two 9k owners would like to help. Otherwise, please mail to me. I like to try as a mediator 😉

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      • Great idea! On the offer of mediation, I may really like to come back. Thank you! 🙂

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  • It started with a Saab 25 9000 years ago, now it has a 9-3 convertible, 9-4 and 9-5 NG added, but the 9000 is still my dream car.
    A comfortable touring car, clear and with comfortable seats, lovingly called sofa by my wife.
    What this car has already done for moving.
    Now another 9000 has been added, now with automatic, even more comfortable.
    I hope he will last a long time.

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  • The 9000er is not only the best SAAB but also the reference car in the upper middle class and partly scores the 9-5NG. As already written, ... only the ignition is stupid!

    With us there will probably be a symbios of two red 9k aero. My age is too damaged by his hard service life and the deicing salt. So the good parts in an aero of the straight deregistered and then as a service car for the SAAB offspring of just in accompanied drive a 9-3cab and the 9-7x moves (the 9-5NG he may not) serves. My old 9k aero is either put away, given to a young devil who screws himself or builds later. So nothing will change in the statistics.

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  • Yes, a dream car. I drove an 15 95 CS without Turbo for 9000 years. What a relaxed and reliable car. Then I exchanged it for a 93 convertible from 2001. It is also built like a stone, but I still mourn the 9000er for a while ...

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  • Great article Tom, find me in every sentence again, especially in your thoughts on the zeitgeist. Thank you !

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  • 9000 anno 2019

    Am d. J. met only three or four 9000 in traffic. All in Sweden on about 2.400 Km. Pretty lean ...

    In general, it struck me (I had not been in S for a while) that the cars there had gotten younger and were being cared less well than before. In the Volvo, the youngest models dominated by far and the Chinese V90 was as present as a Wartburg in the GDR ...

    The last V70 or just younger SAABs up to the NG were again driven mostly by younger people and were often neglected to visible rusty - cheap Ge, consumption and wear objects. Disposable.

    The owner of a larger independent workshop showed me several again distinctly older Swedes in different stages of disintegration and restoration. All imports from the USA ...

    When the Swedes start to (re-) import themselves, this testifies to a growing appreciation. On the other hand, surprisingly little was to be seen of this appreciation on the roads. What I saw and what I did not or hardly ever got to see (old Swedish cars as a daily driver), I first have to digest and classify. I remembered the Swedish consumer behavior differently and more sustainably from previous visits.

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  • I can only agree with the previous comments.
    Having grown up in a very early 99 (which I still own), the Saab world has long stopped me on the 99.
    After that came some 900 (I still have a convertible) but the 9000 ... Never ever.
    Until I had the first. 2.0i CC. The landing gear a different world than in the 900. Unfortunately with many kilometers and at some point also rust.
    Okay, the CC is still ok, but a CS? Certainly not!
    Until I had the first 😉. From Pensionisten-Erstbesitz, few kilometers, very well maintained, and very very cheap. Since I had to quasi ... As a winter car, he will probably be enough ...
    This has changed my Saab world permanently. I never expected the car to have a winter any more (although by now it could definitely have been conserved by Mike Sanders). Instead, another 9000 had to come here. 2.3 Turbo with automatic. Meanwhile, about 300tKm on the clock, certainly not beautiful - but beautiful to drive.
    Also, I enjoy the feeling described above, when I get into the Saab, bed in leather and wood and the world stays outside. No matter how cold and wet it may have been, the day has been so staid ... The automatic slows down, you know, you could, but why? Saab Driving is Yoga for Unsporting ...
    All right, 9000 CSE, but 9-5? No way? But, I have tried it with a 2000er (so early) Griffin station wagon. And no, he could not (apart from the automatic) the 9000 remotely enough water.
    Especially the "I bring you to the end of the world, nothing can happen to me" feeling.
    The 9-5 is history. I still have both 9000. And for one year in addition a "handkerchief-well-kept" Aero, which I bought for a completely unreasonable price, but in my opinion was still worth every penny.
    Yes, I also think that a later (from '96) 9000 is the best ever built Saab. Close followed by the late 99 with H-engine (which is also in my garage ...).

    As long as environmental regulations allow, I will drive my 9000 from the previous millennium. As an everyday car and fun car in one. The pain does not cost me nearly as much as the loss of value of a young used car (or even a new car) and my environmental awareness can sleep well, if I remember that the 9000, even if he certainly emits more CO2 than a modern one Car, after 23 years and good 300tKm just in his third life at least launches and 2 cars did not even have to be produced!

    greetings
    Gerald

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  • As a die-hard Saab driver, lover, hobbyist and collector, I confirm most of the previous speakers.

    Since 1969, my family has been infected with the Saab passion. My Saab career initially began with 80er with multiple 99tu, many different 901er and 9k; which accompanied me, among other things, professionally, without ever a significant engine damage, except wearing parts, equal to several 901er + 9k, all 16v-tu or Aero, always faithful to nearly, even 1 2-million-km, ie average 60-80t-km / year with a single engine failure! Unfortunately, I can not or less well confirm this with the newer model types 9.3 + 9.5, as they already had several engine damage at low km levels. From this point of view, the 9000er, despite or perhaps thanks to "ital-design", was clearly the most complete Saab built on its own, either with the well-known active and passive Saab safety that Saab has pursued independently in its own research center for generations and faithfully used before any new safety laws dictated what measures, as well as offered one of the highest seat comfort right down to the Aero sports seats, despite its few minor quirks already mentioned by previous speakers! Many of these interesting and helpful Saab innovations, which have been quality-consciously cultivated in the Swedish style up to and including the 9000 model, were unfortunately missing in the following models.

    For the past few years, I have been consciously only driving bio-power engines for everyday use, as long as circumstances allow me to drive a Saab in an environmentally conscious manner; although for the 9.3 + 9.5er because of excessive GM austerity measures, for my needs, clearly the typical detail-maintained Saab worthiness is missing.

    By the way, I occasionally allow myself the pleasure of switching to my vintage cars, be it 99er, 901er or 9k, which clearly reawakens the then-known Saab driving feeling in me, and can easily keep up with today's over-sized and overpowered vehicles!

    Saabige greetings
    Gi-Pi

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