Electric car. Would you drive a sion?

Without the production site Trollhättan, I would not have noticed the Sion project. After a visit to Sono Motors and articles about the electric car, it ends in a crucial question. Would you drive a sion? The answer should not be so easy. Because she is not.

Sion prototype interior. Would you drive a sion?
Sion prototype interior. Would you drive a sion? Image: Sono Motors

The climate change. Heat records.

It's Wednesday, the 25. July 2019. The hottest day ever in Germany since the beginning of the weather records. My Saab is parked in the shade, but the temperature display says 39 degrees. In the shade, mind you! The automatic climate cools down the interior to a pleasant 22 degrees, all right? Is not it, quite the contrary! Climate change is hitting the country with full force, but not everyone has really noticed that.

42,6 degrees will be there this Wednesday in Lingen. A new German record. The TV stations switch special broadcasts, many intelligent people formulate sentences. Hardly anyone draws consequences. Otherwise, you could hardly explain the ever-increasing numbers of cruises and air travel, because even on this day the travelers wait at the Frankfurt airport in long lines. The country is sweating, politics are discussing CO2 levies, and in the north of Munich, a startup has a vehicle in the pipeline, which should actually be the car of the hour. No! Should!

How do I buy cars?

Analyzing my buying behavior is very easy. I just like brands that use technical features. Everything started with Citroen. The brand with the double angle. Visa Chrono GT, Citroën BX, CX GTI Turbo 2. The hydropneumatics, you know, some other operating concepts, clever lightweight construction. Several BX copies even made it to our company fleet. 500.000 kilometers were no problem, no matter what the trade press wrote about him. Robust, comfortable, frugal. And the field workers cried when VW replaced the BX Passat.

25. July 2019. Heat record in Germany. And would you drive a sion?
25. July 2019. Heat record in Germany. And would you drive a sion?

After Citroen came Saab. Turbocharged engines and in principle a kind Citroen for rational people. The last Saab I bought with conviction was one 9-5 BioPower chrome frame, The car was an aging diva, but the BioPower concept convinced me. CO2-neutral fuels from renewable raw materials, preferably from waste from the agricultural and wood industries, promised the future. By this time, humorous Americans had largely driven out the lateral thinking of the Swedes. In principle, the ethanol idea was just a byproduct of the Trionic project, conjured from some drawer in Trollhättan. Unfortunately, there was no future in Sweden or Germany.

A government that presided over a climate change chancellor proclaiming the energy turnaround dumped E85 funding in favor of the Diesel lobby. Where this led is obvious. The chance of a quick and cheap C02 reduction in road traffic was lost. Our French neighbors are more pragmatic. E85 is in place, and anyone can contribute to C02 neutrality with little effort.

The Sion is the car of the hour?

The Sion could set a trend, the concept provides all the basics. High utility, a battery that keeps reasonable balance the balance between practicality and vehicle weight. A car suitable not only for the urban environment, but also for daily commuting. The highlight, however, are its integrated into the body solar panels. They generate up to 34 kilometers of green ride every day - when they get sun. If that is not enough, you can charge your Sion directly to your own solar system without any loss of power.

34 kilometers per day can be free. This is an announcement.

Too little? One may tend to accept the 34 kilometers as a nice marketing gag. Unfortunately our society is dull and flooded with stimuli. Some messages are unheard of. Therefore, a small, deliberately conservative held account of this: Suppose that the Sion generated over the year 10 free kilometers per day. This is not optimistic, but results in 12 months together stately 3.650 kilometers. In addition, do you realize that the average Annual mileage 2018 per car was at 13.922 kilometers, with a falling tendency, then everyone would be 4. Kilometers in the SEV of Sono Motors a CO2 neutral free ticket. In percentages: 26,21% of the mileage is given as a gift. And a good conscience with it.

26,21%! Suppose everyone at Shell or Esso would be 4. Liters for free, which will most likely never happen, what would that mean for the monthly costing of a family? Or Audi and BMW would give 3.650 kilometers of free travel year after year. The headlines would be fat, the demand unbelievable. The Sion is actually the car of the hour, it comes at the appropriate time. The future summers and winters will be cooler in our dreams at most, the current heat record will not last long.

Ready for the system change?

The climate and our mobility need something like a system change. And he has to come fast. If it has to be new cars and consumption, then please have a sustainable and likeable idea like a SEV with its own power generation.

The Sion in the former Saab factory in Trollhättan
The Sion in the former Saab factory in Trollhättan. Image: Sono Motors

So far 10.000 Menschen Reserved and paid a Sion. Only 10.000 or already 10.000? It depends on the perspective. VW has more reservations for the ID, Porsche for its first electric sports car. Both vehicles are considerably more expensive than a Sion. Not similarly sustainable, and arrested with big, heavy batteries in old, conventional thinking.

So only 10.000?

Probably yes, which is a pity. If you work more intensively with the project, then you realize that the base is still quite manageable. Maybe because it comes with too many unknowns. Or, because the media-wide effect has not yet developed the punch that she deserves. Maybe because the project, which I would never have noticed without its production site Trollhättan, is only a sympathetic utopia for a certain group of people in Germany.

How do the readers see this? Would you be prepared to rethink and change the system? Or is this all too much to ask?

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39 thoughts too "Electric car. Would you drive a sion?"

  • My penultimate Saab 9.5 I drove up to 360'ooo km. The current one he has 160'000 and still drives like at the beginning !!

  • The Sion is still just a few computer images and very far from production. Financing and development are missing.
    I'd rather drive a NEVS 9-3 EV. If NEVS could find the tools for the 9 3 convertible, I would come first when placing an order.

    • Unfortunately you will not find the tools. The convertible is GM, NEVS has no design rights.

    • If the communicated schedule is at least a bit of a reality, the Sion can not really be that far from production. A start of production The end of 2020 is usually called model year 2021 and starts classically after the summer plant holidays 2020. Whether it is based on the Swedish or the Bavarian holiday dates is open to question whether the zero series before or after the holidays is driven, but in principle we speak about the period from August to October 2020.

      This is about the thumb targeted in about a year, and thus corresponds approximately to the time that is necessary for the experimental security and release, if you proceed classically (1 trial loop with prototypes for functional safety, bring necessary changes, then 1 trial loop for approval & homologation ).
      If one is brave, or can rely on present results, there is the possibility to perform the first test loop only virtually by simulation, on the other hand, this is almost a guarantee to encounter unrecognized problems in the release / homologation.

      Anyway, this approximate year means in the first outlined approach that the trials should start around this year from August to October. If you want to have parts first and then entire vehicles within the next 3 months, the suppliers must already be commissioned, have completed their pre-development and are actually close to the production of the first prototype parts.
      Even with a simulative functional test, the suppliers must be on board and the parts must be adapted to the respective production possibilities, otherwise this procedure is not possible.
      All this preliminary work probably will not do that if they think they will not get paid for it.

      So either the communicated schedule is impossible to keep, or the Sion has to be both developmentally and financially, well beyond a few computer pictures and an unsecured funding.

      That nevertheless not everything must come as announced, for example, Borgward or Nevs are quite illustrative examples, but at least it has been there to some new cars.
      Exactly how exactly the state of the Sion is now, only people with insight into the internals of Sono Motors know and we outsiders have to wait just for Erlkönigbilder, fair presentations and the sales launch, if it comes to it.

      • Sono has promised that a prototype will be shown in the second quarter of 2020. There is nothing to indicate that progress has been made in the production of prototype parts. The job advertisements show that suppliers are not commissioned. “Project engineer (f / m / x) chassis - braking systems” - “You make supplier and material decisions”

        • PERHAPS …

          ... the next business crime story? ? ?

          NEVS seems finally to give a little more gas, seems financially well positioned now and again to be interested in engineers. In the meanwhile long row of actually rather sporadic announcements and presentations NEVS also talked about a new developing EV, which one wanted to build in Trollhättan and whose features - as far as they were called - surprisingly afterthoughts for a Sion are …

          Maybe NEVS and Sono should cooperate even more closely?
          Maybe you have already done that for a long time and have been in the background for some time?
          Maybe you can compensate for personal bottlenecks?
          Maybe the interest of NEVS in the Sion is greater than you realize at first glance?
          Perhaps the mutual interests of Sono and NEVS are behind the facades somewhat or even completely differently than was previously public?

          Sono would not be the first startup, whose founder with relatively little effort to make a pretty bride in the shop window and hope for a dowry (takeover), with which they would have taken care of themselves ...

          And NEVS would not be the first potential groom to see through this and play for time - knowing that the list of contenders is short and that time is playing against the aging bride, that she will beg for it sooner or later, not in pieces and by the bankruptcy trustee disassembled to be disguised ...

          Exciting topic and a really wide field for speculation.
          Great that you learn here how this story goes on ...

          I'm so excited about this sequel now,
          like a really sharp crossbow ...

          Thank you for this really very inspiring comment! ! !

        • As far as I know, Sono also says production start the end of 2020. By this I mean the start of mass production, maybe I'm the only one, although I do not believe that now. As far as I know, it is also communicated in the information for investors. And at that time, my remarks were turned off.

          To conclude from one (or more) job ad that this task (s) does not have someone else done (or done) before does not necessarily have to be true. Incidentally, the fact that the number of employees has to go upwards would also fit in well with the start of production of the parts, since then typically many detailed questions arise during the implementation / production, which eg a designer, who has previously looked after several parts, can no longer afford at the same time.

          As I said, it does not look completely unrealistic to me now, but that's just my assessment, but I've never said anything else, according to my understanding.

  • Since 5 years and 5 months, I drive a BMW i3 every day, thank you employer. For that my 9000er can rest now and will only be activated in case of cases. Will say, Electromobility is in our family for more than half a decade completely normal and I can understand all reservations even conditionally. SION - come on!

    • Great report that asks for thought.
      A small photovoltaic system including the battery has been on the roof since May 19 ... Alternative to the EV would be n ebike ...

  • Funnily, I also started with Citroen CX, after several years of 100 Audi 1971, this was my first car. Needed CX, because they were cheap and a good DS back then, middle of the 80iger, had cult status and was too expensive. It was a great time, and the hydraulic ride has never topped a car. Time jump.

    Nevertheless, I think e-cars for a transition technology, and drive too long distances, and have, for example, never see a Tesla drive so that would suggest the design. A sports car that is not driven by any athlete? Rather strange concept. Currently I drive 750 or 1000 km with one tank - both diesel. Fits for me like that. And honestly, just because it's from Trollhättan does not make it any better for me. I can understand that some feel nostalgic about the place, but as long as there are no Saabs or parts left, I'm not really interested in what's going on there, and I find it tiring, because every reference to Saab is more and more important to me More is lost ... No offense.

    • The Tesla is not a sports car ... if only a fast motorhome! He has no outstanding performance (acceleration and KmReichweite) and no long-term quality! The attributes that are always attributed to TESLA are 'in no way available' ... I think the early buyers who have tied up in advance, would have decided otherwise in retrospect, and warmed up for another product! The Elon Musk is just not able to run a business that will be so successful in the long term (15-30 years at least) that the company is OK! We are here near Mannheim ... if a Tesla driver needs the customer service it may work relatively quickly here 'is the Tesla driver but from jwd then it will be extremely difficult to promptly get a technician! All these facts speak the same language ... At TESLA, the only things that get bogged down and customers are left behind with their problems. Something like that would have worked for BORGWARD in the 60ers, but today 2019' is not allowed to support such a tactic of a company !! // Good that my AERO 9-5 Estate Bj.02-2002'with 302.169 km on the clock (replacement engine before 50.000 Km) I hope still 3-5 years good service 'as long as the TÜV me not too big bottom line in the bill makes ! The SAAB is still a comfortable, safe, and even relatively cheap car after 17 1 / 2 years (9 liter on 100 km-A-BahnStadtLand) !!

  • Hey there!
    I am having a hard time changing to a car that I can not safely drive to my children at any outdoor temperature without charging. And the housing nunmal rd. 250 Km away. I live in the rural area, the use of public transport is also no alternative.
    So a “Stromer” must have a bigger battery, I think.

    I have been following the Sion project for some time. Unfortunately, I can not make friends with the design, I just do not think it's nice.

    Greetings from Bad Salzdetfurth

  • Good column and in a nutshell! The bottom line that will ultimately be decisive is the price of mobility. Free “free kilometers” are hard to beat.

    • Free miles do not exist.
      The surcharge for the solar cells should be> 2000 Euro ...

      • Completely out of thin air

        And no matter what you refer to. EK, incl. Or without assembly or the real UK? ? ?

        Any company that ticks fairly clean in the upper room, would simply increase the range in such conditions and obstruct a higher battery capacity for a few euros more.
        Or just use the competitive advantage and offer the Sion without solar once again cheaper than he already calculated ...

        That would be the Sion a reduction in price of at least 10 and up to 30 or even 40%, depending on what exactly you want to have said?

        In terms of EC and manufacturing, a three-digit amount for a small extra solar energy should be much more realistic than over 2.000 € ...

        Incidentally, the kilometers are of course not completely free. At least, they are for portmoney and the environment only once the initial use of energy, resources and money in favor of the concept and compared to other cars is compensated. But with a little good will you would have understood the comment of Anna Maria from the beginning in this sense ...

        In order to explore the possibility of such compensation - to investigate it in more detail, doubt it in a substantiated way or even exclude it in a well founded way - you do not seem to be at all worried? Why then a comment?

  • In principle yes - but!
    I am 84 years old and drive after many Saabs a SUV Volvo CX 60.
    10.000 km per year 7,9 l Diesel per 100 km.
    If I sell it, it will not be scrapped, but it will drive 30.000 km per year with 8,5 l per 100 km from the new owner.
    Isn't it "greener" to stay with the SUV. I actually wanted to use electr. drive but I have to protect the environment

    • Tom always writes a longer usage is more sustainable. I agree with him, even if that is probably not suitable for the mainstream.

  • I will not dream of buying or leasing an e-car. I can not understand the hysteria around the car. It is not the car or its benefits that are responsible for global warming, or would be able to accelerate or slow it, let alone prevent it. We also had 20 degrees summer ahead of 40, but nobody seems to remember or remember.

    • Yes, but those who remember know the difference between climate and weather ...


      That there has ever been a similar temperature in the same month since the beginning of the weather records, is far from an explanation for the fact that such temperatures have become the standard for a few years ...

      (Weather and climate) records are broken in rows in any form. In the form of the least or heaviest rainfall, the highest temperatures of several years in a row, the highest wind speeds and fastest glacier melt of all times etc. and so on and so forth ...

      And then there is another indicator that is completely free of any room for interpretation:
      The oxygen content of our atmosphere decreases slowly but steadily, the proportion of CO2 increases to the same extent.

      The causes are certainly not in individual traffic alone. Even there you are right in the wrong. But neither climate change nor a certain role of the transport sector can be denied.

      If you wanted to say that you should look beyond individual transport for solutions, then I am fully with you. If you wanted to say that you should still look for other and intelligent solutions in the field of private transport, I am also fully with you. But if you want to know the individual traffic outside, then I contradict hereby and do that very vehemently ...

  • Exciting discussion here. E-car advocates meet traditionalists. Almost like in real life.

  • Good morning.

    … I have always driven my last 3 cars for about 10 years (and have already bought them “used”).
    The current Drömbil has also been bought “used” and I hope to be able to live for 12-15 years with it (after all it is a “quite new” Saab). 😉

    After that, it will probably no longer be a gasoline.

    But with e-mobility, I'm always so torn:
    Good Bad; pro Contra; environmentally and resource efficient or not; etc. 🙁

    And lately I have already read / seen reports that the “battery” is supposed to be only a temporary solution anyway and that hydrogen would be more recommendable in the long term (and supposedly China is jumping on the bandwagon too and is no longer on the move) only on battery).

    As a layperson, I currently don't see through it anymore, I'm more of a “confused” person and therefore glad that I (hopefully) can still drive with my “old dirt slingshot” for some time.

    PS: But I like to follow the reports about Sion here (and also much more interested than most of NEVS's previous ones). 🙂

    • I think the same, the battery is just a bridge technology, the Chinese will find a cheap way to supply the whole world with hydrogen and the EU and the US whine all the time just around. The Europeans have dZ the first big hydrogen project in Africa in the sand set, I trust at the time only the Chinese to make something right on the legs there.

      • The Chinese will do that for sure. There is currently a very exciting turning maneuver in China. Away from battery-electric drives, to hydrogen and alternative fuels. Subsidies for battery electric cars are completely deleted from 2021.

      • What you should perhaps make clear is that a hydrogen car without battery is quite nonsense. Admittedly, it will of course be much smaller than a pure battery electric vehicle, more so as with current hybrid vehicles (but also have a wide range, from mild hybrid to PHEV).

        It is absolutely necessary for recuperation (would of course also hydraulically possible, but why, if the electrical system is already in the vehicle), on this consumption reduction will want to do without, and to support the fuel cell in highly dynamic driving (from coasting to full load in fractions of a second) ,

        So you can arrange the hydrogen vehicle with the so scolded lithium and cobalt degradation and if the hydrogen is then actually generated by electrolysis (is currently not the case) comes back to the electricity mix into play.

        A warm welcome to the carbon dioxide at the back door and goodbye simple solutions ...

        Oh yes, all those who say that the batteries are going to get better, or that there will be new technologies that could say welcome a battery electric car ...

        • That's right, the topic is far more complex than a cracked gas sample in school lessons.
          It would be necessary to write thick books and force them to reorientate the perspective of hydrogen in its public, political and economic perception.

          At the moment it is reminiscent of the euphoria of the 1950 years around the atom and its splitting. Everything, but also everything seemed possible to the euphoric optimists (including publicity and opinion-forming parts of science). Right down to the nuclear-powered car. Everything possible and impossible was also considered problem-free and already considered real for the immediate future.

          According to Fontane, an optimist is someone who, beyond his means, orders oysters in the restaurant in the hope of finding a pearl in them and then settling the bill. How fitting ...

          I miss realism and facts in much of the H-discussion.
          So thank you for your comment.

  • Still, I find that the most sensible way to get around is the existing vehicle. If one day my Saabe give up the ghost - which is unlikely - would be a vehicle like Sion quite a conceivable alternative. The majority of the year I live in Spain and drive mainly short-haul. Could probably get an 90% share of solar power.
    And for longer trips I would swap the car with one of my acquaintances. We are already practicing this today. Depending on your needs, we have a convertible, coupe, van, small car and SUV ... ..


    The Lizi

  • This question is not so easy for me to answer. It depends on the relation of the question.

    If I accept my status quo and then decide, then I would say no. I drive a gasifier, which usually works without complaint and which I would not scrap for a new vehicle. Because if I keep using it, I'll save the resources needed for a new car. And so I do more for the environment than putting a motorized battery pack in front of the apartment. In addition, I live in a rental apartment, without charging for this vehicle and what my employer would say if I load it there ...? I still have too many unanswered questions, besides, I occasionally overcome myself and even take the bike for my 40 km commute (WITHOUT E!).

    If I look at the question theoretically and consider the Sion compared to the alternatives, I could already imagine, yes to say. He has clever detail solutions and the free kilometers are also an argument. But if, for example, I think of the question of convenience, then it may look different. Or why drive so few Dacia and the like. Cheap cars on the streets? After all, they have everything that is necessary to be together in a traffic jam, just not so much comfort.

    I think that the Sion is a way in the right direction and we all have to correct our claims tremendously down! These small and fine detail solutions of the Sion remind again and again of Saab. Personally, I do not think that the drive concept is so favored at the moment. The entire problems in the procurement of raw materials for the entire battery and e-technology are so displaced. It's easy to say, yes, we here in Germany are at the forefront of environmental protection (well, at least we often think so). But what happens in the regions with the environment in which the necessary raw materials are mined hardly interests anyone. They are fortunately far away!

    With our (purchase) decisions, we influence political and economic decisions and thus influence the lives of people in other regions of the world.

    See eg here: https://www.businessinsider.de/e-autos-hinter-dem-rohstoff-lithium-steckt-ein-dunkles-geheimnis-2017-12


    The article is great again. I can not find any point in which I wanted to contradict.
    And to answer the question of the author, yes I could imagine a Sion ...

    But I am me - I am neither the general public, nor would I be ahead of anything. No, a Sion would just happen to be fine
    and fit in my personal life for only a few years.

    Under other circumstances - no second car (SAAB) for travel and long-haul, no charging on its own grounds - the Sion would be synonymous with me without any chance. The question for us citizens and consumers comes too early. Not because it was not high time, but because policy and manufacturers have failed for too long to create more favorable and generally valid conditions for such a vehicle.

    It is sad that a new type of vehicle, which in the city center (particulate matter and nitrogen oxides) would have its biggest plus, just there because of lack of charging options will hardly meet with love.

    Under the given conditions, I see in Sion the perfect complement for a touring car.
    Which of the two should be defined as a first or second car, I do not know ...

  • Great article! Stimulates to think ...
    What does mobility mean to me in practical life?
    Visiting friends in the area, I walk.
    Shopping on site or in the nearest town (6km away), I use my bike with panniers or for the so-called "big shopping" the cargo bike with e-support. 🙂 High fun factor!
    Visit family in D, DB plus “Shuttle of the family” 😉
    Theater in the city or HH, I use the car plus public transport. Here I can also imagine an e-car in Spe.
    Holiday in DK, S, N and of course D I use partly in D the DB, otherwise the car combination. Also here in Spe a rental car.
    Holidays in South Tyrol or southern France with the Kombi DB plus rental car. Holidays without a bike are “unimaginable”… 😉
    So: for my mobility I need different support, which of course should be environmentally friendly. I will use my current car (unfortunately no longer a SAAB) "to the bitter end".
    THEN only will be decided again.
    Then it will also show if D has enough bus drivers for public transport and enough train drivers for the DB ..., or enough vehicles for autonomous transport ...
    If the ÖPNV thinned user unfriendly, that will be nothing with the mobility turnaround!
    It remains exciting!


      What you do not address or affect everything. A very, very broad and also at ministerial level interdisciplinary field. I do not want to contradict your comment on any point - on the contrary ...

      As long as I read this, your comment is probably the commentary of all comments, which shows most clearly that it is not as easy as one would like to do (citizens, politics, economics and media - simply anyone).

      For example, German bus drivers (together with carpenters, doctors, teachers, carpenters and others) from Mecklenburg-Vorpommern were sent to Scandinavia with language courses sponsored by the employment office. One single breath later became the shortage of land physicians, skilled workers, the situation of rural public transport in the country Special and to complain of rural exodus in general ...

      And just today, the ÖK rumored that AKK would campaign for a scrapping premium of oil heaters. Would not be further bad if she was not in a government that promotes the same day oil thermal thermal still state ...

      But anyway, everything is not so easy and not free from inner contradictions.
      This hints at your comment very nicely ...

      It is difficult to send bus drivers abroad at the expense of other taxpayers (to improve unemployment statistics) and, at the same time, to demand more public transport and more use of the same. As you said, “it won't work with the mobility turnaround!” ...

      If it should be something, then state and federal ministries
      please learn interdisciplinary thinking as quickly as possible.

  • One talks only about electric vehicles with batteries, less one talks about vehicles powered by hydrogen and fuel cells. Why is a battery sustainable, if silicon are promoted with a large water waste in poorer countries in the depletion. See reports by Prof Lesch! In addition, the electricity comes mainly from fossil fuels, such as particularly environmentally unfriendly E production of lignite. Where is the sustainability? I do not see the future in the E mobility with batteries, rather won with hydrogen with renewable energy. Until then, I will continue to move my Saab 900 Classic and 9-3 convertible in a sustainable way.

  • An interesting question. But in my opinion the change to an electric car is not climate friendly. I spoke with experts who confirm my impression. In short, the manufacture of the batteries (and their disposal) is environmentally catastrophic. Apart from that, electric cars are no longer salable after about 5 years.
    The real problem is our overpopulation on earth and globalization (on climate change). Without a rating. But electric cars will not change anything in the long term. I drive my Saab's until nothing works. This protects nature and its reserves. I hope most users do it too.


    Exciting, what Tom has initiated here. I hope the policy reads with ...
    In addition to great skepticism about the benefits and environmental friendliness of e-mobility, there are also comments
    who would have less to complain about the Sion than much more about the general conditions under which it should and should be operated if you "already" decided to buy today.

    On the wish list are inner-city charging options and also uninterrupted transport services of public transport and rail, with which comfortable and environmentally friendly even those goals could be realized that would overwhelm the range of action of a reasonably sized Stromers ...

    One can also see this wish list as a political exercise book for a traffic turnaround, which feels the startup Sono Motors conceptually. It probably hurts twice when you do your own homework, just to realize that politicians are leaving you without charging stations ...

    Who knows how many pre-orders Sono would have received if D was ready for Sion and politics had done their homework too?

    The Sion embodies a departure - but possibly only a premature and false start?
    Almost a political misunderstanding ...

    No one has ever said that one (and possibly which one?) Of the many environmental policy and the energy or the traffic turning political starting shots is now really meant seriously ...

    Everything without guarantee and at your own risk.
    Economically reliable conditions for an automotive startup really look different ...

  • It's fascinating to me how things can develop. I've always been a "Petrol Head", I suppose it will stay that way, but unlike years ago.

    With the end of Saab I began to rethink. There were a few cars after that came and went. But vehicles became more and more just a means of transportation without emotional charge. Today, I still like to watch powerful or innovative vehicles. And yet, the subject makes me increasingly colder, I no longer have to own it. Maybe also an indirect influence of the zeitgeist. Whether I would take a Sion - now my "old" thinking is still fighting against the "new", which is why I have chosen a draw. Innovative or not, e-car arguments outside, he just looks to run away. As the "old" passion flashes again briefly. Who knows how much longer ...

    • Thanks for the comment! Can I perform, I am similar in recent years.

  • Very interesting article and a very pleasant discussion here!

    I'll come out as a Sion preorder. Sion likes to forget a few aspects, or perhaps not address them, because more concrete details for their implementation are still missing, namely: car sharing, ride sharing and power sharing. For all this, the Sion is also prepared. To what extent one wants to offer this as a possible owner, that is the question, for my part I have at least two neighbors, to whom I trust the careful handling and which make car sharing otherwise. Before the Sion is on vacation otherwise stupid on the road, I would have no problem identifying him as a mobile charging station.

    However, in comparison to the gas burner, I also have some limitations: a spontaneous journey> 250 km? Hm ... Summer vacation in South Tyrol / France / etc. Nope. For something I would then but simply take a rental car. But the everyday routines, the Sion covers off easily, probably I have to between March and November only a handful of times to the charging station!

    However, there are also a few aspects where I fluctuate a lot. Warranty? 2 years, that's little. Especially for a “first work”. Free workshop manual and no special tools are all well and good, but when my free workshop tells me that they still prefer to keep their hands off "orchids", I stand there. And in 2020, other interesting BEVs will also come out. In the end, the Sion can be relatively cheap, an investment of 16-25 kEUR (without / with battery) is also no play money for me. From an economic point of view, I probably drive more used combustion engines with my low mileage until petrol is banned ... and I think there are a few in the dilemma.

    But I will probably dare to take the plunge, especially as the production of the Sion (that's how it communicates) CO2 should be neutral (or compensated). So if it's not economical for me then I'm still driving around with a smaller CO2 footprint.

  • I voted no. The car is ugly and can not pull a horse trailer. I think it will take some time until the battery technology is ready so that e-cars are really universal for everyday use. Then of course Trollhättan will be short-listed, whatever the name of the store at the time.

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