Driving classic cars only seasonally or year round?

The time is running. Ruthless, precise. Many things are predictable. New cars are used to, with a little luck to Youngtimern. Later, perhaps, and it takes a lot of attention and the right owner, they mature into classics. This will be the topic at the latest when the brand no longer exists. Because the aging of vehicles has implications for all parties.

Out and about with the 9000. Driving classic cars and classics only seasonally?
Out and about with the 9000. Driving classic cars and classics only seasonally?

Workshops that specialize in Saab, feel it not only since today. The market is changing and getting seasonal traits. The winters are quieter, and cars that are used in everyday life, rare. But it buzzes for the start of the season on the lifts. As soon as the sun comes out with rising temperatures, the appointment books are full. Long waiting times are the result, because suddenly all just want the one thing: bring your classic cars and classic on the road.

For Saab owners, the matter of aging their vehicles is a double-edged sword. On the one hand, a lot of money flows into conservation and restoration. On the other hand, you want to move your Saab all year round. But there is the money, the beautiful state and wet and salt in winter. More and more flee therefore in the season flag. From March or April until autumn, then sleeps the Youngtimer. And you think you have done something good for the car.

Is that so?

My 9-3 Aero was elaborately treated against rust several years ago. What was unavoidable, because otherwise it would inevitably come to an end sometime. Better to do something sooner than too late - then my thinking. Around 7 years have passed since then. In winter, the Saab sleeps in a dry hall, in summer he is allowed on the slopes. To be perfectly honest, I even avoid riding with him on rainy days when it's feasible. That's awkward, I admit it. And above all: it is completely meaningless. The sensitively treated Saab still does what old metal usually does. He rusts. The overlapping sheets on the subfloor inevitably provide points of attack for rockfall, dirt, moisture. The body shop of the 90er sends its regards. You can not do anything about it. Just grind, seal, and hope it lasts a long time.

From my mantra, classic or Youngtimer not to move, so I got lost. For one thing, because sometimes it's pointless what you see in the above example. For another, because car is not equal to Saab and Saab is not the same. While the 9-3 is sensitive, the 9000 is a hardcore Swede. Actually, all, apart from the 9000er, who spent his first life in road salt contaminated Fichtelgebirge, before he came to me, are resistant to rust. Great rust prevention or sealing? Never done. Rust? Almost always wrong. And if, then harmless little things that you eliminate before it becomes serious tooth decay.

Driving classic cars only seasonally or year round?

How do the members of the Saab scene see this? Youngtimers and classics, and youngtimers now include early 9-5 and the 9-3 I, moving year round? They're all-day and above all winter-proof. Seat heating, front-wheel drive, good light. A Saab comes from the land of snow and ice.

Or spare the sheet? Put it in the hall, garage or carport until winter time is over? Because under the Swedish metal sheet but there is a sensitive, which is inclined to the rust. The voices of the scenes are in demand. Here is the poll:

Driving classic cars only seasonally or year round?

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17 thoughts too "Driving classic cars only seasonally or year round?"

  • Now all year round. A comprehensive rust cure must be done every few years anyway. With a winter break, they may put you on 1, 2 years. For that you take a lot of SAAB fun.

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  • Why should I annoy 5-6 months a year with another car? Especially if he still has four-wheel drive. If they are well preserved you can drive them all year round.

  • Difficult question, I would say it depends on the possibilities you have. If you have more than one vehicle and you can use the license plates or just in Germany on Sasionkennzeichen and has enough accommodation, then I would spare the classic vehicles and drive over the winter a Wintersaab. But then the question arises again, what do you take as Wintersaab? A Saab with XWD, if you already have one? Or is not that too bad too? Many Turbo X or 9-5NG XWD drivers are now sending these cars into hibernation in winter. On the one hand spares these cars, but on the other hand one misses much. Maybe move an 3,0 TID over the winter? In winter there should be no heat problem

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  • Am I completely with Ken-Daniel S of his attitude. If it is a really well-maintained and well maintained vehicle, I would say: Schonen!
    In the winter I drive my 9-5 3.0 Tid and this also gets the necessary care and was completely preserved. But if I had to decide which vehicle to take, it would mostly be the 9000er. But since I am convinced that the cold and the salt on the streets would wrest the 9000er from me even more quickly, I like to use the 4-5 9-5 months a year. And yes, at some point the time comes when the 9-5 will not be so easy to get in relation to the 9000er now, and then I will deal with the topic again 🙂 But until this time will be with me from November until April 9-5 and then 9000er drove haha. Needless to say, an 9-5 is just safer in winter than an 9000er.

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  • Difficult question! For me, the 9-5 2003 and the Turbo X are driven all year round. The older ones start from 93 F 1960, 900 turbo convertible, 9 3 Viggen, 9 3 II convertible as well as 94X only from April to October. The 9-5 NG SC is almost always there. The 94 X gets a good seal this winter and I think it will be more effective in winter too.

    My son drives the 9000er year round. The Turbo X by the second son is also in use throughout the year. Both Viggen are only on the road in summer.

    All vehicles are inspected and sealed annually for underbody damage and rust, if necessary. With the 9-5 2003, rust has formed in the typical places that already had to be welded. This will now be treated even more intensively in the coming weeks with TImemax provision.

    I think, depending on the vehicle type and age that must be distinguished. In an older vehicle or generally in Cabriolet I think summer operation is definitely enough. The 9-5 NG SC is driven rather infrequently with me. Especially since he is the only FC in Switzerland. Since 2013 has hardly raced off the km.

    SAAB 9-5 I and SAAB 9-5 I as well as 9-3 I and 9-3 II I think, are in any case mobile year-round, logically with the necessary rust prevention. Of course, without maintenance backlog for a long time, as the kilometer kings show yes.

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  • YEN, BUT, NOT, BUT WHY ...

    I have no opinion that would fit into the binary poll. Too many factors play in it. Alone the weather. Or should I say, climate change?

    I drove my classic car through several times with a clear conscience because Berlin and the surrounding area no longer had a real winter. So let's call the season the cold season. Without salt and split, it loses a lot of horror and the classic car becomes a comfortable car with “full equipment”…

    Heating and fans work wonderfully and for the small gap of the driver's window - to let excess heat and possibly moisture escape - enough for me the crank. Ironically, it's rather the summer, which leaves me missing features (air conditioning, windows etc.) of modern SAABs.

    It also makes sense to me in terms of sustainability, when the car rolls. Almost everything also ages in the stand. Be it the operating fluids, the tires, shock absorbers, gaskets, the battery or whatever. Logically, that there are economic and ecological benefits, if all the stuff is allowed to serve its purpose, before it has to be changed anyway and in any case ...

    On the other hand, there are cars that of course I think are so valuable that I would contradict myself and immediately throw all the above arguments over the pile. How should I come to a vote in the sense of the survey?

  • As well ... as…

    The “real” classic cars (95/96/99) don't have to go out in winter. Never.
    The 900I convertible is conserved and (thanks to change labels in Austria) basically also in winter. But more theoretical than practical. Should really a dry, sunny and especially salt-free winter day come: Gladly! Otherwise definitely not!

    So what about winter?
    A newfangled winter car does not come into my house. But I'm also fortunate enough to own four 9000 by now.
    The two Eros are most likely not going to see winter again. However, definitely the most beautiful of them a member of the German Saab Forum served as a sole and thus winter vehicle.
    However, getting the car under such circumstances in such a condition required extreme care and investment and I am aware that I would not be able to handle it myself.
    My winter 9000 is technically fit in spite of its 300tKm, but visually and body-wise, he has the overpass to the classic - even before I bought him - missed. So sometimes something is repaired, if necessary also welded.
    Even a bigger rust cure like this year in the spring is a breeze compared to the depreciation of a young car.
    And as long as that goes with manageable effort, the 9000 will continue to serve as a winter coach.
    And should that really not even seem possible or reasonable, there's still 9000 number four.
    Actually for the winter too much. But now completely sealed by Mike Sanders. So what?
    If he has survived 23 years and 160 tKm, he will probably do it again after the seal.

    And then I guess I do not have to go out in any weather anyway ...
    And then there are still the other Saab oldies to play.

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  • For the winter I got extra “Die Wanderdüne” (9-3, MY99 2.0i). The 9-3 SC is approved all year round, but only for real long distances. The CVs are in summer season. Regularly check the underbody and act if there is a need. Why should I want to move something other than a SAAB in winter?

  • 9-3 Cabrio 1998 and 9-3 Aero Coupe 2000 are driven with season codes, 04-10

    The 9-3 convertible 2005 and the 9-3X are driven throughout the year. This is joined by the Lancia Delta HF 1984 which I have also approved year-round, but only sparse in winter,
    The beautiful Lancia Fulvia Berlina with vintage 1972 is allowed to rest in winter too.

    So it is also a balanced financial effort. To let all six vehicles year-round would not make sense either.

  • Drive, drive and then drive again. Naturally good care, but then it fits

  • I have only one 9000 and therefore I am obviously the exception regarding the quantity of your own fleet. That's why the question does not arise. I consider it rather a luxury problem.
    The 9000 has to get out in any weather, every day. He is and remains an automobile and commodity. In my opinion, attention to maintenance and care is not in contradiction. In the SAAB Museum I once read a slogan that was something like that.
    A SAAB what built for driving.

    In this sense. 24 / 7 / 365

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  • My 9-3 I Convertible is making its deserved winter bonus. Cleaned, stored and covered under a car cover, he stands in an underground car park. The charm of the vehicle lies in driving openly for me. Of course he would be on nice winter days, the right convertible (if not Saab who?), But I do not want to put on the few days. I'm also so batty and leave the car in the summer in the rain on the slopes. I did the 10 for years with a Strich8er and it got him well. The timetable for the new year is set and the desired refurbishment, repairs and preparations are planned and the appointment with the workshop already made. Oh, I just remember I forgot the salt!

  • Calix

    The season of the engine preheater has now begun, I still remember the subject ...
    Exciting question, how many SAABs with - or rather, despite - Calix wandered just for the start of the season in the Mottenkiste?

  • How did Jean Paul Sartre say? "The problem is the others".
    What use is the most beautiful Mike Sanders filling on my SAAB, if some dork - and unfortunately there are many - does not understand the simplest physical rules, such as that the friction between tires and snow or ice is lower than between them Tires and asphalt, and then slip into my car?
    In that sense, I do not use my SAABs when it comes to snow and ice, because I would not be financially recovering anything from insurance, what I invested in them and above all, not what they are worth to me. Sure, that can happen to me even on dry roads, but the likelihood is certainly much lower.

    JFP

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  • @JFP,

    damn good point. Speaking of rules and physics ...

    One question @all,

    I like to turn off the stability control on my chrome goggles (BioPower 2.0t, hacked) in all sorts of conditions, so that the feeling of friction, physics, weather and reason are not lost. But also out of humor, to be honest ...

    Can be mistaken, but I have the impression that the engine control with the control is already precaution cautious and tame set, so that the ASR during acceleration must intervene less often. When it is off, the car seems to be unleashed, the throttle response much more spontaneous. Could it be? Does anyone know what?

  • Hello Jurgen!

    All my 9 SAAB are insured with Belmot. Also the two newer vehicles 94X and 95NG SC. Since I determine the value myself (logically realistic). If I had an accident, the other party is to blame, then I get the payment (time and estimated value) from the insurance of the causer and the rest for the repair of the Belmot. There are also other additional things in the hull insurance better insured.

    Even in summer, an accident can happen. All my vehicles are worth nothing anymore due to age and mileage according to insurance, but their condition is pretty perfect and optimally maintained. And 94X and the 9-5 NG station wagon would be really a problem because of the time value. Also, the repair of the station wagon, if from the rear, very expensive.

    Previously, I had always had insurance estimates made so that the time value could be raised. But it was always a discussion. Here the Belmot really offers the alternative. It is even cheaper in principle.

    https://belmot.ch

    That's as far as I know, the Mannheim insurance behind it. That certainly exists in Germany too. And I can also insure the cars that are currently not registered. I determine the realistic value.

    Now the liability is on the usual car insurance and comprehensive insurance on the Belmot.

    Regards

    Joachim

  • @ Joachim,

    Thanks for the good tip. Did not know that this is possible.
    At the time, this construct would have saved my 9-3 I (well and completely maintained, non-faulty rear-end damage, according to expert reports with a gap between value and repair costs) and probably also several other SAABs ...

    However, I wonder whether and how that can and should work with the “Blue Mauritius” (the 9-5 NG SC). How do you realistically assess its value? And would you actually get the rear damage repaired despite a lack of parts or would you only get the “life insurance”?
    It does not protect the insured from death and relatives from losing it. But anyway, I'm happy about every SAAB that I meet in traffic and about rare specimens especially ...

    Great, if anyone can do that, and even dare with a NG SC. Respect.

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