Evergrande electric car Hengchi 1 is introduced to 2020
The plans take shape. Evergrande's first electric car, the Hengchi 1, will be presented in the first half of 1. Series production will start in 2020; it should mark the start of an offensive with at least 2021 new vehicles. Evergrande is planning a huge billion-dollar investment to advance to the top of mobility providers.
In addition, you offer everything that has a reputation and a reputation in the industry. At the beginning of the week, Evergrande hosted an auto summit in Guangzhou with 206 well-known suppliers from all over the world. In a press release, the company speaks of an “epic” summit that has never been seen in this form before. In fact, the size of the investment and the consistency with which the best designers and suppliers are brought on board is impressive. The fact that there will be a total of 10 factories supplying a huge market between the Swedish town of Trollhättan and Guangzhou along the Silk Road is hardly a detail. Likewise the announcement that another 1.000 super sports cars will be built together with Koenigsegg.
Evergrande against Tesla and VW
The media response yesterday was tremendous. However, the comments, which put a question mark behind the plans, are also increasing. The electric car market in China is developing less well than planned, and electric mobility is still in its infancy in Europe. From the mass market, but above all from the profitability, one is still far away. At the same time, new vehicles are coming onto the market. Tesla is planning a German factory and will produce 2021 model Y in Germany, at Volkswagen begins an electric car offensive. But the biggest uncertainty is the customer himself. Will he enthusiastically jump on the electric train or will he refuse?
The recent development in China could be thought-provoking. With the slow phasing out of subsidies, the market for battery electric cars has been in reverse for months now for 4 months. In October, registrations for 45,6% fell to only 75.000 units. However, compared with the previous year, it is still up at 10,2%.
Is Hengchi 1 being built in Trollhättan?
There are no details for Hengchi 1 yet. Behind the name could hide a sports car with genes of Koenigsegg. It can just as well be an electric SUV or any other form.
Exciting from SaabBlog's point of view is the further development in Trollhättan. Will cars be built in Sweden in 2021, will the product convince and continue the tradition of the location? Will the Saab factory on Göta Älv just be another Chinese car factory, or will some of the Saab legacy survive? The questions are open and will remain so for a few more months. Your answer may or may not be interesting.
Changes to the resterna av Saab för rätt många år se´n nu, så har de skapat en KONSTART av uttrycket “” Mycket snack och lite Verkstad ”” (the sculle fact has kunnat varit riktigt Komiskt, om det inte vore en SVENSK IKON som de pissade på!). Ar det nå´n som minns longer hur många gånger de change of agar structure, i syfte att ens KOMMA IGÅNG med tillverkningen (next to result)?. I början visste de inte ens själva om de skulle bygga bensin- / elbilar, eller både och. En annan period gick snacket “” allting kommer att bli bättre när vi byggt upp vår nya fabrik i Kina ””!… -En fabrik TILL, när de inte ens kommit igång med Trollhättanverket, vilken i princip tom var “fit for fight”, redan från dag 1?!. Nu tycks kinafabriken vara igång, men de har inte fått ut några bilar därifrån… BRIGHTER!. Att the senaste Ägaren, Evergrande, vågar ta över det här skämtet till företag, måste tyda på ett övermänskligt visionärt tänkande, alternatively nå´n uråldig asiatisk självplågarfilosofi (om det inte rör sig om en större psykiatrisk). Dessvärre så passade de på nu att köpa majoritetsägandet i Koeningsegg också, när de ändå hell på.-Snacka om feststämning det måste ha varit på de or Kontoren hos McLaren, Pagani, Ferarri, also framförallt Tesla, när om detta vetta!
DET SERIÖSA kinesiska bolaget Geely tog helt över Volvos personbilar, also “Äter sig långsamt in” till att även bli majoritetsägare till moderbolaget Volvo (15% i day, men aptiten can be upgraded) .Moderbolaget all flyg Volvo has to be förrelresten redadan is verksamhet till engelsmann.
What else?… Tysken tog Scania, så..jaa… ¤suck¤
Jag undrar bara vad som hands med all framåtanda, innovationsförmåga och intressant designskapartalang som preglade svensk fordonsindustri mellan 1920-talet, och fram till 90-talet?. Nu tycks alla bara vilja lägga ner, sälja av och stoppa ner så mycket reda pengar i fickan, som.
Förresten, deta BARA jag som tycker att DET HÄR projectet veels attarats att estatsats på?.
http://www.trabant-nt.de/374/en/the-project/trabant-nt.aspx
-En färdigutvecklad elbil, also som spelar på de redan etablerade starka retrokänslorna för det gamla osttyska miljöförstörarmonstret, Trabant!. Biljäveln “säljer sig själv” ju för katten!.
Tack för ordet!
/ Micke
@ StF,
Mix and timing are based on resources and state of the art, as well as a given infrastructure.
It is completely absurd for me to deny a necessity for action.
However, it is just as far away to cheer me on biofuels. Here, people act blindly, waste resources and do not use an existing structure.
If it were otherwise, we would use all biological waste long ago and completely (these are climatically free), I would not even express such thoughts.
The criteria for mix and timing are very simple. Zero waste. In this respect, we can not afford to dispose of waste in the distant future, and in the case of biogas or fuel, the question of timing is therefore superfluous per se.
At this point (one of many), the question of the mix depends on the amount of recyclable waste - actually quite simple and yet so complicated ...
Mix & timing
What are we talking about in the energy transition, but fundamentally about replacing the fossil fuels with renewable ones and also starting with this change. The timing gives us the temperature rise or the maximum value that we want to allow but actually before.
When we actually start to change over, an energy (carrier) mix turns on its own, probably not the perfect one, and it's questionable whether it even exists. In retrospect, you can determine it then, but whether he is planned down to the smallest, there I have my doubts.
What is the time horizon for the change? Assuming that 10 burners are still being sold for a maximum of 20 years of operation, that's 30 years. And since nothing's going so fast as planned, that's really more like 50 to 70 years. The numbers are actually all over after the climate change.
The power plants are similar. Although wind and solar systems have been expanded and now exist in addition to the classic power plants, where are the base load capable energy storage? Therefore, the wind turbines stand still, instead of generating electricity, because it can not be accommodated in the network.
Where should the turnaround be? Honestly, that is not even properly prepared.
We actually put everything on a map, but it says neither green electricity nor hydrogen, but:
It will not be that bad and it's still going well.
Whether this is so clever, then shows the future and in retrospect, it can also be classified.
The mix and the right timing ...
(@ StF) ... are the keys to a successful transport and energy transition.
I can not see any valid reasons to put everything on one card. And by that I mean relying solely on eco-electricity, which includes both rare earths and hydrogen for mobility.
We have to make sensible use of all possibilities and resources. Violation is a waste ...
Waste on behalf of Klima ,. Human and environment? That can not be it, we can not afford that. We do not need a panacea, but the perfect mix. The energetic or mobile recycling of organic waste is absolutely essential.
Hengchi 1?
In April 2017, Qoros, together with its cooperation partner Koenigsegg, presented an all-electric supercar-like luxury sedan at an auto show in Shanghai:
https://www.focus.de/auto/elektroauto/qoros-k-ev-chinesen-stehlen-volkswagen-die-show-neuer-elektro-renner-von-qoros_id_6973918.html
https://der-autotester.de/qoros-k-ev-kampfjet-fuer-die-oberklasse/
The body design may originate from Qoros, or one of Qoros commissioned designer, and belong to Qoros. In other words, Hengchi 1 certainly would not look like that.
The Antriebstechnikstammt comes quite certainly from Koenigsegg, so that there are the rights for it. The question remains whether Koenigsegg at that time also bothered to at least develop a real platform for it, or was it just welded together a frame, since it was only about the optics?
Of course, if you actually started developing a platform for an 4-seated e-supercar and the rights lie with Koenigsegg, then this could of course be a starting point for Evergrande-Hengchi's high-performance luxury luxury sedan, since you will not be at zero must start. That would also be an explanation for the communicated schedule with the idea 2020.
And the new house designer Pininfarina could then put a more or less beautiful body over it. Since then probably the drive components and possibly also carbon parts would be supplied by Koenigsegg, an assembly in Trollhättan would be conceivable.
That would be an interesting approach to start a new brand with a luxury product. I would be curious if that could work, if that was really the plan.
@ Herbert Hürsch
The liquid fuels are just wonderfully easy to handle, which is why they have established themselves. The thing with biofuels is, what proportion of the total fuel requirement can be generated without causing other problems (competition between food and tank)? Unfortunately, I don't have any figures for this, in a hurry I would suspect something around 20-25%.
But in the industry right now everything is optimized to the maximum (maximum number of pieces, minimum unit cost), nobody wants to deal with a relatively small piece of the cake. Looking good in the pharmaceutical industry, there is a lot of production concentrated in 1-2 plants in Asia, and if it gets stuck somewhere, the pharmacies are empty because the medicines can not be obtained anywhere else. Seems to me to be overoptimized, but that's the way it is. Here, a rethinking would be desirable, but how to achieve this? Here, the policy seems to me to be clearly under optimized.
It is understandable that aviation and shipping companies would like to stick to their acquaintance. It will probably be a question of cost, whether it be biofuels, liquefied synthetic methane (with even lower efficiency), or perhaps hydrogen.
It is at least conceivable that in an airplane that looks something like an A380, the passengers sit in the bottom of the fuselage, while the top of the fuselage carries the hydrogen along with it.
Even with ships, this can certainly accomplish somehow and would have the advantage that in an accident not always the fuel disappears in the sea, but then for a change in the atmosphere. You could also think about the dragon sails and Flettner rotors, but unfortunately the wind is so badly planned, because the potential for overoptimization is missing.
But those who probably do not want to give up liquid fuels, should be the military. When you're busy beating each other up, you certainly do not want a fuel leak in the sky, or you'll get a fatal electric shock.
Here one could also assume that the price does not really matter, but probably affects mainly the American forces and should be a problem for the Bundeswehr, where it could possibly go back to the cavalry ...
@ StF,
again interesting and valid. But is not it just an excerpt from a much larger bouquet of opportunities, technical and of course possible but also relevant obstacles?
I miss diversity throughout the energy and transport debate. It can not and must not be that only the fuel cell vs. Rare earth is discussed.
Why and why should humanity voluntarily and in the face of a great challenge rob itself of all other possibilities?
Another exciting question is how to “fuel” (increasing) air traffic in the future. And I mean these purely rhetorically, because we will not get by without fuel. It is all the more tragic that biofuels, for example, are no longer part of the current discussion. I could already drive my Saab BioPower almost CO2-neutrally if this discussion hadn't narrowed down too much early on ...
As long as one is concerned about whether the battery-electric or the fuel cell car will be the 'right' drive concept or not, the worries should be relatively small.
These are both basically electric cars, in which the energy storage is each a different, as long as not afterwards the solution is back to the horse carriage, or forward to beaming, first no one runs in the electric car development in the wrong direction.
How a fuel cell car is ultimately realized, serially (fuel cell charges the battery) or in parallel (battery & fuel cell deliver power at the same time), depends on how the vehicle is used, but possibly also on the energy supply prices, the costs of climate change, or whatever , be dependent.
With the efficiencies that are mentioned at the moment (with the battery storage ~ 70% of the injected current can be used for driving, with the hydrogen fuel cell ~ 35% of the current used for hydrogen production), I would tap on the serial variant, if I the fast hydrogen introduction would believe.
Just as we are currently doing in the construction of wind turbines, or just high-voltage power lines, I am relatively unclear how the energy transition should succeed. At the moment, I do not see that there will be an electrolyser for hydrogen electrolysis at every gas station and the necessary electricity will be distributed via the electric network. Rather, the residents complain the petrol stations out of the villages on the green meadows.
Since there is no hydrogen distribution network, the hydrogen would have to be supplied with tank trucks, basically possible, but something like the natural gas network would be nicer. Presumably, in an 10 or 20 year, we can not help but turn hydrogen into methane (synthetic natural gas) by adding carbon that can be spread across the natural gas grid. Although connected with the disadvantage that the already not so great efficiency of hydrogen again by the factor 2 down to 3 goes down, but the necessary infrastructure is already.
In the long term, it will probably be hydrogen instead of natural gas. At the filling stations / charging stations, there is then electricity and hydrogen, just like gasoline and diesel today. Electricity for battery and plug-in hydrogen cars and hydrogen for the rest.
But maybe I am more or less wrong, as it usually happens with future forecasts ...
@ Gosh,
At the moment I basically don't see the ONE drive concept that anyone should rely on and that could make sense ...
In this respect, I totally agree with you. It is politically, economically and also negligent towards the environment to talk about a holy grail ...
And if you already have a tunnel vision, then at least you should be able to keep the track. The fate of the German solar industry is well known. Currently, D is driving wind energy to the wall and manufacturers have announced the massive reduction of jobs, because the expansion has come to a standstill for political reasons.
Anyone who can still believe in such conditions and wants us to be on the right path is an incorrigible optimist.
The development of e-mobility in China should at least bring all those who rely on this technology to thinking. Therefore, the packaging may certainly be at a high level, but with the possibly wrong drive concept, which in turn could lead to a quick stop.
If they (the producing County) do not have any Oil, then your answer is YES……….
@ StF,
as always, interesting information in addition. And I share your view. A parent company called “Auf Ewig Großartig” with an automobile brand called “Luft (& Power) ohne Ende” is definitely not aiming to be the cheapest and most environmentally friendly competitor to a “dust brush” (such as the Dacia Duster) ...
In addition to the cockiness of the company itself, the personal or national pride of the target group should not be underestimated. We have also read about cooperations and partners here.
It all points to an outrageous performance show in which environmental balance sheets and sustainability will only play a role as far as they are compelling for advertising.
Like Evergrande, I do not think they see their products as crates or compete against Dacia and Hyundai. I guess that they have the self-image of wanting to be the Chinese Tesla or the Chinese Audi.
If you try to find out what Heng Chi actually means, you will find “to puff hard” (https://chinese.yabla.com/chinese-english-pinyin-dictionary.php?define=heng+chi) which is probably a picture of heavy breathing during heavy exertion, or the high-frequency exhaust blows of a steam locomotive under full load. So it should probably have the meaning 'high performance' or 'capable of maximum performance'. I don't think that this should be a cheap product, that wouldn't go well with the cooperation with Koenigsegg. If you want to benefit from their radiance, you can't be a cheap home yourself.
With the desired size, one could assume that, in the best case, they want to be price-worthy. Perhaps they are picking up on the Borgward idea of 'Accessible Premium', but they certainly want to get it right. This should definitely not be a second Brilliance, whether they can implement their ideas is of course a completely different question.
I have just met a light blue-metallic 9-5 NG from RZ-, what a wonderful goose bumps feeling! 🙂
The NEVS or Evergrande topic is far away ...
The country with the most residents should also have the largest car factory ..., I call it megalomania from bygone times ... it's a shame about the money that is put on ONE (!) Card there. The globe has enough problems that could be tackled with support, among other things.
Thanks for the information. I am waiting for the year 2020.
It does not matter in the beginning how the box is called. If it is cheap enough and offers a lot for the money.
In the meantime everyone got used to names like Dacia or Hyundai.
It even seems to be chic to drive a Dacia to show that you do not drive a status symbol.
The cheap rail does not interest Evergrande. The claim is aimed at premium and the attack starts right where the European manufacturers earn their money. Cheap was China before 20 or 30 years. Today the claims go in a different direction.
... especially when you consider that even in Germany there are increasing voices that other alternative drive concepts, such as hydrogen, should not be completely ignored. Japan is making great efforts to expand its hydrogen supply, and South Korea (Hyundai) probably thinks similarly. To rely on the one-way street model e-mobile alone is very daring, even if it is calculated over and over again.
And who seriously buys a car named Heng (st out) chi (na)? I certainly do not, because I prefer to sit comfortably in my Saab. I enjoy its advantages and protect the environment by renouncing ever new gadgets, which are to be disseminated in the sense of a (hypocritical) car lobby by political mouthpieces.
BIG, BIGGER, EVERGRANDE
My head is spinning. The brand name, as Mr. Nordmann said? But also many more questions. The schedule for the first model? Or, if you still have interest in contract production of a Sion?
Over all 100 questions, the big question of whether hovering in a finite world of finite resources is timely?
Even when it comes to EVs, I can not shake the feeling that this is the largest dinosaur ever created.
The whole thing is a thriller and always exciting to watch. Even if it is not SAAB relevant, but the mix does it. My thought: You won't invest billions and then seriously go looking for customers around the world with the name “Hengchi”?