Car calls - when will you switch to an electric car?
Now it is back, the time of car conversations. Unlike 2011, when everything revolved around the dying Saab brand. Now it's about the electric car. The environmental bonus beckons in the background, and suddenly people are interested in cars that you would not have expected.
As a blogger who mainly writes about old combustion engines, you seem to be the ideal conversation partner. No matter where I go, friends or neighbors, at some point it happened. We talk about cars.
And when do you switch to an electric car?
People keep asking me that question. I then take a deep breath and each time I explain why I am not planning to switch. Corona has atomized my annual mileage. The company car has been standing almost motionless in the parking lot for months, it will probably go back with a lot of less kilometers to the end of the lease. And even after Corona it won't be like it used to be. Time and circumstances have changed.
Pronounced tours to appointments, they never come back.
As a result, I drive old cars. From the age of 20 and up. That seems logical to me. With my estimated 7 or 8.000 kilometers, which I cover privately every year, optimal. Because a vehicle that is 2 decades old is far beyond its originally assumed useful life. From an environmental point of view, it is written off and booked out due to its age. The consumption of resources during production was long forgotten decades ago.
Carte blanche for old tin.
After 20 or 30 years old tin gets carte blanche. A kind of blank check, because now only the actual consumption counts. And that's low, if only because of my low annual mileage. So low that I would leave a lower CO2 footprint with a combustion engine than with a new electric car until I hand in my driving license.
Experience has shown that my argumentation is not sufficient to escape a car call. Anyone who wants to philosophize about electric cars has the state environmental bonus and saving the world in mind. New technology and a possible investment that you would like to argue for yourself. It is not at all advisable if you come up with counter-arguments.
One is quickly under general suspicion of being a refusal to progress.
And, to be honest, I don't mind electric cars. But I don't find the topic particularly stimulating in itself. I've had software and electronics every day for 30 years. The suspected attraction of the novelty does not exist for me.
The conversations then drag on and become tough as bad chewing gum. Battery cells, charging technology, range in summer, winter and in the rain. The very clever then go into detail, showering the opposite with read-in specialist knowledge, which ranks at the top of the Top 100 list of things you never wanted to know.
How to unplug electric car conversations.
There is a tried and tested means of pulling the plug in such conversations. The black spot when it comes to electric cars that you can play if you don't feel like talking about electrical and environmental prizes.
The objection that it is already clear that an electric car leaves a digital trail the size of an eight-lane Californian highway is almost always a draw. Several terabytes a day - with a worried expression on your face - and there is silence and the hectic change of subject begins.
It's strange - almost no one has modern car data collection on their radar.
People get upset when Google places a cookie on their computer or displays personalized advertising on the tablet. The fact that a Tesla can even film the surroundings in the parking lot and upload it to US servers in high resolution is not of interest.
Not even that the Polestar 2 has Google on board and that the electric car is only available together with Google. No matter what you do, wherever you go, everything is logged, everything ends up on Google. Whereby the people on Google are the nice people from the sunny side of the street.
But what happens to the data in detail remains unclear.
Today's motion profiles are tomorrow's diamond mine. Tesla wants to use them to improve the software and the autopilot, Google the user experience. Personalized advertising is still the smallest evil. Much more is possible! Soon, complete biometric data sets will be available that allow deep insights into the everyday life of customers.
What happens to whoever lifts and grinds the diamonds is still unclear. There are many possibilities and desires. Tomorrow's claims are best staked out today. Tesla and BMW-Brilliance recently learned this in China. Allegedly in order to protect the privacy of local customers, companies were asked to move the data to Chinese servers.
The request was willingly complied with.
@GP362,
Thanks for the link. All valid thoughts that Prof. Dr. GH can pronounce there. One wonders with dismay why the stage wasn't bigger and the broadcaster wasn't publicly legal?
And you can guess the answer. School and ÖR? Where's the difference? It is only the target group and age group, but otherwise you are educationally in line from cradle to bar. Already fits.
@Volvaab Driver
on the subject of a consumer-oriented education system, Prof. Dr. G. Hüther gave a good interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4roErUzRPiA&feature=youtu.be
😉
@harald mikschy,
I'm afraid this conversation is representative of an economically and politically desired attitude that is actually about to assert itself ...
Sustainability is buried under the buzzwords “decarbonisation” (politics) and “ZERO” (economy & advertising), while consumption and the throwaway society are ideologically reinterpreted.
Those who consume electrically today are decarbonizing and their footprint is ZERO. And anyone who is too reflective to allow this to apply to the present can still be persuaded that you need visionaries who are already leading the way as consumers today for a future that might actually come as promised. Perfidious and ingenious. It works.
... a conversation picked up, 2 ladies, very conscious, green, sustainable and diverse in my place in the art gallery:
... my daughter (who is also very eco-friendly) is now buying an electric car ...
... but is that so good? because of the durability and manufacture of the batteries?
... that's not a problem for my daughter, she leases the car for 3 years, the battery should last that long and
then the car will be returned.
@ Saab 900 Turbo 16S,
well written. Personally, I'm not against electromobility at all. Rather (to 3.) against the fact that it is driven and driven on the basis of faith and with a certain religiousness, in very strange forms * economically motivated breaks over us ...
And on the other hand, that physics (to 4.) is no longer imparted to our children in a neutral way, but rather under the auspices of economic and political beliefs.
* Strange shapes are, for example, e-scooters, e-bikes and even e-skateboards, which certainly do not make a meaningful contribution to environmental protection.
But the “classic” EV (e-car) is also a relatively strange form. You write it yourself, in essence, that it is helped us with a promise of salvation.
The promise of salvation is that in the future you will no longer need to worry about the higher (!) Energy expenditure and a larger (!) CO2 backpack in the course of production, because in the future everything would be produced CO2-neutrally anyway.
This is 1. completely wrong and 2. would also apply to combustion engines, which could also be produced in a CO2-neutral manner and even when they were new, would no longer have a backpack and with bio-fuels (ethanol and bio-diesel - if possible from waste) as well Could be operated CO2-neutrally. Every plant is a natural and incredibly effective solar cell that is technically not that easy to top.
Without having understood and already noticed it, mankind has long since stopped talking about CO2, but about surfaces ..
If everything can be produced in a CO2-neutral manner in the future, then one would have to talk instead about how much energy (ultimately space and resources) one or the other technical solution may or may not save compared to another in production and operation.
Wind energy industry representatives have long since discovered the forest for themselves and argue that a wind turbine can save more CO2 than the required floor space and open space would store in CO2. In other words, an industry of all things that one (me too) wanted to count among the good ones, is now actively campaigning for the overexploitation of the last remnants of the remaining nature.
They also like to sweep under the carpet that in addition (to the floor space) they need a farm road 10 m wide and any length for assembly, repairs and service for each wind turbine, and that they need two to many times more traffic areas in the forest that has to be cleared , because this is the only way to get the argument you want, measured against the current electricity mix.
Lobby is lobby and money is money. Be that as it may, fossil fuels are yesterday's biomass. Both are CO2 stores. When we pour out one at a time, we don't have one less worry, but an extra worry or two.
That should and should be clear to everyone and has long been part of school books.
It also includes the fact that we had hybrid vehicles 70 and 80 years ago. Buses, post and garbage disposal, which were completely electric without any rare earths in town centers and old towns (overhead line and if only for the reason that historical buildings are not polluted with soot) and only in the last few meters and in the peripheral area with small burners were on the way. Even electric ships and airplanes have a history of more than a hundred years.
When history and even physics books - generally assumed to be objective and neutral - are rewritten, that is not part of the solution, but part of the problem.
Of course we need electromobility. Just because of the train. Nobody would even begin to doubt that after more than 100 years.
But just as naturally we need an open discourse on whether this inevitably includes rare earths for skateboards and other forms of private transport, including cars. I would also like to see robust overall balances on the subject.
The assumption that in the future both production and operation would be CO2-neutral and that therefore the energy requirement (and space requirement!!!) Would no longer play a role overall is far from reality.
Therefore, I am interested in (embellished) CO2 balances, from whichever lobbyist, in which biomass and area are not considered or not taken into account fairly,
not anymore.
What I would really like to see would be a coherent overall balance of the CO2-neutral car including its - depending on the drive concept (electric or bio) - perhaps or certainly different space requirements.
Here and only here (surface) will the music play in the future and I fear that rare earths and increased energy requirements in production will be just as detrimental to the environment tomorrow as they are today. The current electricity mix or not.
The discussion about the area, however, has long since been lobbyistically occupied again - as the example of wind energy shows - before the average Otto consumer even understood it as relevant.
I envy everyone who still knows exactly where to go, who thinks that they are in good hands and even speaks to other people's supposedly unclean consciences.
And I feel sorry for all those who will one day have to fill this so-called knowledge (in my intellectually underfunded opinion only a belief of the good believers).
A single, coherent balance (CO2 AND area) and I immediately change horses. Promised.
But nobody needs to come to me with forest versus whatever. I prefer to stay near the forest and look for mushrooms there again soon ...
After having devoted many hours since yesterday to my old Saab - once again -, which should finally get its H-approval in the coming week, I just want to comment on a few aspects very prosaically because I just can't stop:
1. I can't think of any understandable reason why, as a car fan, you would like to pull the plug on “gasoline talks” about e-mobility, whereas you are always available for those about combustion engines, preferably Saab.
2. If the other person has read it, that's all the better. I'm halfway in the matter, not just mine, and consequently the ingredients for a fact-based conversation beyond ideologies are there.
3. In such an area in particular, only arguments count. Who wants to talk on the basis of faith?
4. My cars have finished their “production backpack” and only blow the exhaust gases out of the exhaust pipe (the BMW 635 CSi even has two) that are produced during operation. Since I currently only drive around 5000 km a year, new vehicles - regardless of whether they are combustion engines or electric drives - would in my opinion not be more environmentally friendly. However, as a city dweller, I know that the sudden switch to electromobility would amount to a liberation for many of my kind, even if, as we all know, it sometimes only means a shift from the exhaust to the chimney, but with the progressive change in the national electricity mix towards renewable energies - in the physics book cited above this is already correct, at least at eighth grade level - is getting smaller.
5. I am convinced that we are not “completely wild about restrictions”, but that in this regard, the majority of the public spirit predominates and in the name or framework of their morality they have a little bit of their individual freedom from something in the service of freedom to something represents, in the spirit of Kant, Arendt or Gauck, who did not reinvent the wheel here, although we would be back to one of our favorite subjects, the automobile.
Joke characters (@ Hans S.)
Laughter gets stuck in my throat, but I hope that in the future people will have a lot of fun with people today.
The world will survive us in some form. If that includes humanity, those interested in history can tell a thousand and one anecdotes about us. About the throwaway society that threw away everything it had already produced in order to no longer be a throwaway society.
About energy savers, who have legally regulated and limited the performance of their vacuum cleaners - with the effect that they now had to vacuum twice as long and used more electricity than before when vacuuming.
About energy savers who have cleaned the interior of EVs with 500 kW power in this way - time-consuming and energy-consuming.
About world savers from politics and business, who agreed that rare earths and unlimited growth were not contradicting themselves, but the holy and even logically holy grail.
About the fact that, of all things, we have electrified mobility without an existing infrastructure with force and great effort and in the area of immobility (living and work spaces fully developed in terms of infrastructure) not simply heated it with electricity. Without any rare earths or batteries.
About the fact that we could have done almost without everything and could have saved CO2, operating and construction costs for the benefit of people and the environment. But what would the construction industry or the chimney sweep's guild say? Or Schröder and Putin, if we just had electric radiators on a Schuko socket?
That would be much too simple. If you save a boiler room, Gazprom and oil tank, lock out the chimney sweeps and plumbers, then at least solar cells have to be on the roof and a large battery in the basement or the utility room. In addition, an EV in front of the door and a vacuum cleaner without suction power. Then maybe the balance sheet will be about on again, the economy and the national budget have been saved about.
I sincerely hope that future generations will laugh at us heartily and loudly, because it really cannot and must not go on like this.
@Volvaab Driver, in a great way! Unfortunately, that's exactly how it is! The ineptitude or the imperturbability of some politicians is just terrible. How you can hold onto a barn for such a long time is a mystery to me. So much inability on such a small mind, you have to be able to do that first.
I'm afraid that in the wake of this e-hype and scrappage, at some point I will no longer be able to drive my old Saab and Lancia. That would be a real GAU for me.
So let's look forward to our old cars as long as we can!
Capitalist planned economy
The school books on the subject of social systems, their economic and political character, their social and environmental effects and impacts have long since been rewritten.
Effects of redistribution belong here. For example when low-wage earners and other taxpayers earn scrapping premiums and grants for EVs.
Or agricultural subsidies for the greatest pig priests
with most sows in a confined space.
The physics books have actually already been rewritten. Physics of all things! ! !
The introduction to the subject of energy no longer begins with the distinction between kinetic, thermal and potential energy.
No, above all it is postulated that there are “unlimitedly available” and “finite” forms of energy and ultimately that mankind is about to switch to unlimited energy, to open up unlimited possibilities / unlimited growth.
Is it really like that in the physics book for the 8th grade of the grammar school intermediate level. As evidence for this steep thesis is given that allegedly hydrogen is already being produced in unlimited quantities and is freely available ...
In fact, we have long been fighting for forests and land - without already producing hydrogen on a significant scale.
Of course, nothing on this planet is available indefinitely - not even wind and sun, for whose harvest, storage and transport we only have finite areas and resources.
There's no money for sensible school books, but we're going to knock out € 9.000 for every single EV? Then the world is saved and we are on the right track? Again. As always. You just have to want to believe it ...
Don't we all know for a long time that we cannot produce and consume healthy food indefinitely? That the hectic changeover from Euro 4 to Euro 5 or 6, from a vacuum cleaner or refrigerator with A or A + to A ++ or A +++ is not the solution, but part of the problem?
Speaking of refrigerators, also such an electronic device, the early withdrawal of which has already been subsidized by the state.
I would not be surprised if the EVs that are being pushed into the market today with state funding should be scrapped tomorrow with state funding for the benefit of the next generation.
Officially in the name of the environment - in the background lobby, capitalist planned economy, investors and the stock market but not a single textbook that is amazing
would counteract openly lived madness even remotely with a single thought ...
Good morning dear SAAB community
With the costs I would have to invest to drive an electric car, I can operate my two SAAB 9000s for years.
I just invested in my SAAB 9000 2,3 turbo with 285.000 km, 3000 euros in the body and 3000 euros in the engine. On average, I pay around 500 euros for an annual service, but something is really repaired.
In a branded workshop (VW, AUDI, BMW, etc.) my colleagues pay 700 to 800 euros just to look at them without repairs.
The SAAB fever really caught us.
My son just bought his first 16 SAAB convertible when he was 9.3 and my 14-year-old daughter only recently got a SAAB 900. Was a one time offer.
Now the carports have to be extended.
A new car for 4 people is also no longer affordable the new car price regardless of whether gasoline or electric is simply too high. Our mechanic Mario in Himberg will keep our SAAB fleet running for years.
On our various excursions, there is always an electric car next to the road and smoking.
I don't need that.
Best regards from Vienna
A great contribution that stands out from the already great articles in this blog! Thanks Tom.
It's the same for me, my mileage has also shrunk so much that I have to consciously switch between my moose so that everyone gets their right to be sufficiently exercised. A luxury problem, of course. But I don't think I need a new car in this life as long as the spare parts supply is running.
No one has yet calculated the actual energy consumption of the data octopus - regardless of the drive. The Internet consumes the same amount of energy as global air traffic before Corona!
I don't miss the air traffic either, I've been looking forward to the incredibly clean, clear sky all summer.
@Franken Troll You speak with the soul, and who finances the quarter of the electric car - of course, the taxpayer without asking ...
Time to think - right?
Tom, thank you very much for this article - this point of view is more than correct, but hardly appears in the daily press because everyone has focused on the pros and cons of electric cars.
It should be mentioned, however, that the collection of digital traces or movement profiles does not depend on the drive. All new car multimedia systems collect data. What exactly, how much, what happens to the data - I asked my trusted Volvo dealer. Shrug. Regardless of whether gasoline, diesel or electric drive, everyone is equal in front of the data octopus, it does not discriminate. After all.
The current discussions about the drive, especially in Germany, are idle. The electric car is already there, if VauWeh sells the things then Michl is calmed down and will buy. And we can still drive SAAB as long as we want and can afford. That's already certain (I think). California autopilots are going to build more accidents and we will then discuss whether three autopilot accidents are still better than twelve hundred human accidents. All manufacturers will argue that this is exactly what they need the data for. To protect ourselves from ourselves and to make driving safer, etc. Then, at some point, the Wolfsburg-based company will activate the autopilot and market it well and the target group will think that if the autopilot comes from Wolfsburg, then it is definitely better than that Californian hippie autopilot.
But the deal of private data against colorful apps, THAT is the deal of the century (millennium?). That will have more of an impact on future society than diesel vs. Gasoline vs. Electric.
Christian
I don't want to go into what is clean and unclean now, the cleanest thing for the environment would be to walk around barefoot, but that's not the question at the moment. In terms of the driving profile, an electric car could fit, it would now be nice to get the € 5000 E car premium in Austria, but since I only have a covered parking space without a socket, where one of the Saabs is already standing, I can't do much with an electric car here. If I lived in the country and had to commute, then I would consider buying a small / compact electric car. Charge at home via PV and use it to commute to protect the Saabs and only keep them for a few pleasure trips a year.
@ Daniel (change & engine failure),
romantic thought that in the future you could be on the road in electrified young and even oldtimers ...
But I see the same question marks behind this vision as I see behind electric mobility as a whole. The battery doesn't get cleaner and the infrastructure doesn't create itself just because rare earths and child labor are put into an old instead of a new body.
And what does engine failure mean?
A repair may no longer be a matter of course for us (it used to be), but it would still be ecologically correct, almost CO2-neutral.
Our problems, their causes and our current, rather crazy solution in one sentence:
In order to do everything differently from now on, the throwaway society first throws everything away.
If someone I know prefers older vehicles and is trying to stop an electric car conversation with the data collection argument (which doesn't really speak against electric vehicles, but against all newer cars), I would then ask if they would like to buy it of a Citroen Saxo electrique (or a corresponding PSA relative, or Renault competitor from the time).
Oh, shouldn't I have publicly announced this strategy now? Well, since hardly anyone knows these vehicles, it's pretty unlikely that that will happen ;-).
Hi,
first of all thanks for the very readable contribution. In the past few days I have dealt with the topic of electromagnetic fields and their effects on the environment. I'll spare the details, but it is clear that the more technology is built in, the worse the effects on the people sitting in it. The electric car is doing exorbitantly poorly. Not to mention the data collection. I bought a Diesel work horse for our new place of residence in CA, more purpose-related than aesthetic. With the move, I will dramatically reduce the number of kilometers I drive each year. Contrary to the original plan to sell all cars in Germany, we decided to keep an old Saab and the chances are good that we will still bring it here. No data collection, 31 years old, driven 1500 km per year and in the 2nd state. I will probably be able to drive around here for a few more years, provided that the body survives the Atlantic summers after an intensive rust prevention treatment; in winter it goes into the hall.
I will probably no longer drive an electric car in this life and strongly advise against it for many of the reasons mentioned here and also for health reasons. Because at the latest when the part is then driven autonomously with the help of 5G technology, life expectancy will very likely drop dramatically! Not from the electric vehicle, but from the occupants.
Best regards from the Atlantic Bubble
Erik 900
As a frequent driver, I cannot afford the luxury of a 20 year old car. There are simply too many KM on the clock for that. Hence the season convertible out of passion. The problem with the electric car is that, as an end user, I cannot actually form an opinion, since reports are generally colored ”in the sense of the reporter. From a logical point of view, it might be a hybrid, a purely electric car is currently struggling with range, charging times and, last but not least, charging options. Therefore no alternative at the moment. Basically, however, I would not ignore it.
Hmm.
In 2011, for example, I consciously bought one of the “last and, above all, completely new” Saab models - a ship and one of my general three, four, five “Drömbils”. And back then with the prospect of being able to drive this car for as long as possible - the plan is about 12-15 years.
And I believe that with this attitude I am still much more environmentally friendly overall (even with “slightly” higher fuel consumption) than with an early switch to e-cars or the “usual wake-up periods” for cars. 😉
With the exception of Apple Carplay, the Saab has everything that I actually want / need in a car.
I don't want all of these rolling multimedia cinemas today and in the years to come. Horrible! 😉
I also don't want a “personal GPS tracker” weighing tons in the future.
And whether an e-car is really better than a “fuel eater” or just shifts the load, I don't know for sure.
At the moment I hardly drive more than 4000-5000 km in the last few years.
So I hope to be able to drive my thick ship for at least as many more years as before (the silver steed has been on the “Wellness Farm” for the visual “MakeOver” since today)!
I don't know what will come after the current 2011 one.
But I actually “dread” it (among other things because of data acquisition and screens and “smart technology” in the car ... I don't even want to start with the look of many of today's “smart” cars).
Perhaps then, by necessity, I will become more of a “classic car fan”. 😉
What good is a product that has to be promoted and pushed in such a way? If I imagine the advertising expenditure that the VW Group is doing with e-mobility, for example, then I have to ask myself what is the product behind it actually good for? Who would buy an electric car if it weren't for massive subsidies? Few, very few and I would certainly not be one of them.
As long as my Saab gives me so much joy and satisfaction I will drive it. And I'm pretty sure it will be for a long time!
Anecdotes
It doesn't necessarily have to do with e-mobility and data collection, but still think it's worth telling.
The other day someone reported to me that the tailgate of his new car had already opened automatically three times at the wrong time. In a car park when you are absent and also on the move on a motorway exit. Manufacturer and workshop have no explanation / no solution.
Another was involved in an absolutely avoidable rear-end collision with his brake assistant, because his car automatically applied an emergency stop, which surprised and overwhelmed the man behind. The assisted driver in front had been cut, but according to his testimony, in this manageable situation, he would not have even tapped the brake.
All of this is just getting on my nerves. New cars with an excess of assistance systems, so-called comfort features and a wide data lane do not come into my home. Not electric but also not as a combustion engine ...
The electric car acts as if it doesn't need any energy and nobody has to watch the poor children in developing countries dig for rare earths. A bacon belt phenomenon and status symbol that counts from 190.00 km from the environmental balance and because of the range has one or more combustion engines in the ownership background.
As long as I don't have a charging cord hanging out of my parish bedroom window, nothing for me.
I don't have to build a new car anymore - if only because of the loss in value. Once I bought an S8 and lost 4 euros in 51.000 years. All my old Saab are not worth that much and I have more fun and social compatibility with everyone than with the 10 cylinder roaring bag from Audi, even if a new Tesla should only lose 6000-8000 euros per year: the equivalent of a good old Saab every year.
Electric car? Not at my place.
Starting with the mining of the “rare earths” over limited ranges and data collection. I do not see ANY ADVANTAGE when buying a car that is sponsored by a premium.
I also think: my current car has already been produced, consumes an average of 5-6 liters of gasoline, has endless space (station wagon).
My annual mileage is low, that of my bicycles (added together ;-)) significantly higher. My tax advisor has been showing me my annual car costs for decades. So I REALLY know what a car costs per month ...
What should I do with a new vehicle ???
Image by a car in the carport? I'm out of age.
For years, my buying / consumption behavior has tended to be a REPLACEMENT when something is missing / broken.
So: my car drives reliably in the 8th year, has 125000 on the clock. I continue to collect km with the current car.
Electric car, no thanks!
I think the question itself is silly “When do you switch to electric?”. First you have to differentiate. There are electric cars and there is Tesla. You drive a Tesla because it makes you want to feel this power and the direct response when you just lightly touch the power pedal. And there is not a single Tesla driver who is afraid of range, thanks to the Supercharger network and gigantic batteries.
And then there are all the electric cars like Zoe, i3, Ioniq and co. There are other reasons for buying these cars.
“Switching” implies that you stay within the same vehicle class and switch to a combustion engine for an electric motor. Why would you do this when you have a nice working car? Why should I switch from a Saab 9-5 to an electric car? This has only disadvantages, apart from paying 40.000 €, which is also a disadvantage.
What, in my opinion, is an actual change would be to convert his beloved youngtimer to electric if his beloved youngtimer had an engine failure. So you can continue to drive your usual, otherwise perfect car, you don't lose any more oil, you no longer have to go for an inspection and you are noiseless on the road, which is particularly appealing with convertibles.
what do you think about it?
… and another thing:
I've been a camper since I can remember - what should I do with a caravan on the hook with a range of around 150 km?
I admit: I am prone to stress and have had problems with it in the past when I wasn't entirely sure whether I could get to the gas station before I stopped.
Once the horror idea came true, with a caravan on the hook and three children in the back. Fortunately, the gas station was in sight ...
I don't need anything like that anymore, never.
You don't have to put up with such stress in old age and I also don't have to think about whether to activate the heating or air conditioning and thus reduce my range even more.
Therefore, an electric car is out of the question and I can only hope and do everything to ensure that my 900 classic will last as long as I can drive the car.
Electric cars for the city - great! But otherwise a first-rate punk
But we are really crazy about restrictions on how you can read and hear in a variety of ways every day ..
Very good argument Tom! The data collection that will only pick up speed with the introduction of 5G.
Can recommend an interview with Fritz Indra on the subject: https://www.servustv.com/videos/aa-2577hvsw51w12/
That is very revealing!
€ 9000 environmental bonus. Then they go out again and buy cars that they can neither afford nor need. E-mobility is on everyone's lips, even at my workplace. The many € are tempting. I use this article as a template to curb the daily conversations a little 😉
Thank you!